Is online piracy theft?

[Ipwn 4]

You know what is gonna be funny. If they don't sort out the "piracy issue" before 3D printers become a simple household appliance like a microwave.

Cause I can see loads of things people would rather Download & print than go buy at a shop.

Now that would be an interesting world....

Now my 2c : piracy is theft, no matter how you justify it, it's stealing and you are no better than a mugger. He also gets what he want for free...

Edit : just saw the music reference and I want to be a "draadsitter". Since getting decent Internet I stream pretty much everything from online playlists, I'm not downloading a torrent of the album but I'm still listening to it and most importantly I haven't payed for it.

This debate fails

 

[zamicro]

Agreed. Well said.

Wow. It took you how long to understand? It would have helped if you actually read the article.

 

[Elimentals]

Now my 2c : piracy is theft, no matter how you justify it, it's stealing and you are no better than a mugger. If you get something you should be paying for for free by downloading it how does that differ from the oke with a 9mm asking you nicely for your car? He also got wat he wanted for free....

But you did not lose a car nor did he use a gun.

Better example would be someone that come and night, steal your car while you sleeping but when you wake up in the morning its still there.

Edit: See this is why this argument fails all the time. Cause instead of telling people its immoral or trying to convey why it is, and they learn or understand why its immoral they end up explaining that you f up in your example so the message gets lost.

 

[zamicro]

Now that would be an interesting world....

Now my 2c : piracy is theft, no matter how you justify it, it's stealing and you are no better than a mugger. If you get something you should be paying for for free by downloading it how does that differ from the oke with a 9mm asking you nicely for your car? He also got wat he wanted for free....

So if I buy a packet of chips, and win a house (for free!) it is now theft? I did not pay for the house?

Piracy is not ok, but it is also not theft.

 

[Ipwn 4]

So if I buy a packet of chips, and win a house (for free!) it is now theft? I did not pay for the house?

Piracy is not ok, but it is also not theft.

So I tried writing a reply but contradicted myself a few times, decided not to... I'm a developer myself and even though I haven't made something awesome yet I wouldn't be stoked if I sell a single copy of that awesome thing I have yet to think of...

 

[W.Salie]

That makes me wanna go download something....

Are you serious... are you like joking? This is a joke Right!

 

[[)roi(]]

Wow. It took you how long to understand? It would have helped if you actually read the article.

Pity you're so late to the debate...
If you actually took the time to read the thread, you'll see that not only was the article discussed but so too the broader topic.

 

[alloytoo]

so following on from your metaphor, how do you propose artists make their money then?
by providing their work for free and selling a complementary service? how would that work?

Use the recording to gain public awareness and then go on tour.

A number of artists are adopting this model, and consumer spend is also skewing this way.

 

[[)roi(]]

Use the recording to gain public awareness and then go on tour.

A number of artists are adopting this model, and consumer spend is also skewing this way.

True, I've heard countless examples that touring is financially rewarding for the recording artists and many times exceeds the income from retail sales.

Unfortunately this type of option is not available to Software houses or Movies and hence they tend to take a tougher stance on piracy.

 

[W.Salie]

In my view I think that If I purchase a movie and I make a copy and or share it with who ever... I has nothing to do with anyone! as long as there is no money transaction taking place. So lets look at the question... is online Piracy theft?

My return question would be was there a money transaction involved? NO

 

[The Voice]

In my view I think that If I purchase a movie and I make a copy and or share it with who ever... I has nothing to do with anyone! as long as there is no money transaction taking place. So lets look at the question... is online Piracy theft?

My return question would be was there a money transaction involved? NO

/agree

Piracy being the reproduction of something for the purpose of resale. So, in theory, downloading of music/movies/pr0n shouldn't be illegal, as long as it's for personal use

 

[[)roi(]]

/agree

Piracy being the reproduction of something for the purpose of resale. So, in theory, downloading of music/movies/pr0n shouldn't be illegal, as long as it's for personal use

The practice of labelling the infringement of exclusive rights in creative works as "piracy" predates statutory copyright law.

Prior to the Statute of Anne 1709, the Stationers' Company of London in 1557 received a Royal Charter giving the company a monopoly on publication and tasking it with enforcing the charter.

Those who violated the charter were labelled pirates as early as 1603. The term "piracy" has been used to refer to the unauthorized manufacturing and selling of works in copyright.

Article 12 of the 1886 Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works uses the term "piracy" in relation to copyright infringement, stating "Pirated works may be seized on importation into those countries of the Union where the original work enjoys legal protection."

Article 61 of the 1994 Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPs) requires criminal procedures and penalties in cases of "willful trademark counterfeiting or copyright piracy on a commercial scale."

Piracy traditionally refers to acts intentionally committed for financial gain, though more recently, copyright holders have described online copyright infringement, particularly in relation to peer-to-peer file sharing networks, as "piracy."

Not so clear...

 

[alloytoo]

True, I've heard countless examples that touring is financially rewarding for the recording artists and many times exceeds the income from retail sales.

Unfortunately this type of option is not available to Software houses or Movies and hence they tend to take a tougher stance on piracy.

I think Software houses have been very effective in adopting new business models, reflected in the greater market share.

Movies are also moving into the online services arena, they just need to abandon the stupid regional zoning.

 

[[)roi(]]

I think Software houses have been very effective in adopting new business models, reflected in the greater market share.

Movies are also moving into the online services arena, they just need to abandon the stupid regional zoning.

Yes I agree, the software guys are in most cases on the right track.
For music, retail mechanisms like itunes and Amazon suit me fine; yet the regional contract crap has to go i.e. open up unrestricted non DRM world wide sales.

Movie houses are still stuck in rut; best to also get rid of regional contract crap and distribute everywhere and all channels at the same time.
For example: why do we have to wait for Ster Kinekor to finish its showing before its available for purchase or rental? If they remove all red tape, their industry will take off (of course its a given the price has to be right)

 

[Mr.CookieMonster]

Why dont they make like a paid torrent / P2P system? They offer the software, people pay a fixed amount every month to download this software, but they do not have to offer customer support, cd-keys, etc.

 

[W.Salie]

Why dont they make like a paid torrent / P2P system? They offer the software, people pay a fixed amount every month to download this software, but they do not have to offer customer support, cd-keys, etc.

There is already something like this... its called direct downloads

 

[BeVonk!]

I have no desire to sell/distribute/share movies but I want to have easy fast access to a movie when and where I want to watch it. This is where the industry fails here in SA. Just this morning I tried to get one of the latest DVD releases from the video store in my area. "Sorry sir it's out and it is booked until next Saturday." I don't have DSTV so their movies on demand is out (but also limited to wherever the decoder and tv is). So, to torrents we go. Thirty minutes. Portable format. On two tablets. Kids happy. So, were I willing to pay? Yes. Was the product available when/where I needed it? Nope.

 

[jacksonc]

If theres anyone who has never "burned" a CD or software, let him raise his hand

 

[Elimentals]

If theres anyone who has never "burned" a CD or software, let him raise his hand

Commercial Software, no never burned another copy of it onto DVD/CD.... Open Source, do that all the time.

 

[[)roi(]]

If theres anyone who has never "burned" a CD or software, let him raise his hand

Also never burnt any commercial software onto CD or DVD.

Yet I have burnt my music to disk; purchased online, to create CDs for my own use. Today everything however ends up on a phone as that integrates more easy with the car (but I see no difference between the phone or CDs I use to play music in the car)

Personal use vs shared debate...