Is this Arsenal's year?

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And no... I'm not referring to winning the league or anything like that :p

I'm specifically referring Arsene Wenger. After a few *cough* seasons of no silverware and hearing the same old stories (excuses?), do you guys think this is possibly his last season to 'prove' that his theory actually can work on the pitch as well as it has in Arsenal's finance department?

Come May 2012 with no trophies and worst case no CL spot, what then?
 
He won't make it halfway through the season if they're failing miserably again. I was surprised to see him retain his position this season...
 
He won't make it halfway through the season if they're failing miserably again. I was surprised to see him retain his position this season...

I still see Wenger retaining his position for a while. In any case, who would replace him?
I was thinking more along the lines of will Wenger finally realise that his philosophy isn't exactly working very well. I'm referring to success on the pitch.
 
I still see Wenger retaining his position for a while. In any case, who would replace him?
I was thinking more along the lines of will Wenger finally realise that his philosophy isn't exactly working very well. I'm referring to success on the pitch.

Not being an Arsenal fan, I have absolutely no idea who would replace him, but I believe his days are numbered unless Arsenal pull their socks up and get some silverware onto their dust-collector-racks...
 
I think wenger will be there another 1-2 seasons max. He will never realise that his philosophy is failing because he is stubborn.
6 years no trophy = philosophy fail? yes.
Does wenger think so, well so far - no. Willing to let Nasri go, willing to let fabregas go, no good signings for departments that definitely need improving.

Take a look at just the past 6 years, how many players have we lost when we could of used them for much much longer?
Just to name a few : ljungberg, bergkamp, henry, lauren, viera, flamini, hleb, toure, pires, wiltord, cambell, gilberto,gallas,senderos

A few of them were kak and left on bad terms or getting old yes, but the others were flippen good players and would now have +-6 years XP in the prem league, older experienced how to keep there heads. But we just punt them out the door
 
Not being an Arsenal fan, I have absolutely no idea who would replace him, but I believe his days are numbered unless Arsenal pull their socks up and get some silverware onto their dust-collector-racks...

TBH, I also thought his days were numbered. That was two seasons ago :erm:
 
It will take a big man to come to Arsenal and implement his own philosophy.

I think Wenger will always have his place at Arsenal until he decides he needs a new challenge. I just cannot see the board giving him the sack
 
I think wenger will be there another 1-2 seasons max. He will never realise that his philosophy is failing because he is stubborn.
6 years no trophy = philosophy fail? yes.
Does wenger think so, well so far - no. Willing to let Nasri go, willing to let fabregas go, no good signings for departments that definitely need improving.

Take a look at just the past 6 years, how many players have we lost when we could of used them for much much longer?
Just to name a few : ljungberg, bergkamp, henry, lauren, viera, flamini, hleb, toure, pires, wiltord, cambell, gilberto,gallas,senderos

A few of them were kak and left on bad terms or getting old yes, but the others were flippen good players and would now have +-6 years XP in the prem league, older experienced how to keep there heads. But we just punt them out the door

That is currently Wenger's biggest downfall and Arsenal's biggest hindrance. IMHO of course.
 
It will take a big man to come to Arsenal and implement his own philosophy.

I think Wenger will always have his place at Arsenal until he decides he needs a new challenge. I just cannot see the board giving him the sack

I totally agree. Therefore I'm wondering if this is finally the season where something gives and Wenger is actually forced to change his approach.
 
I totally agree. Therefore I'm wondering if this is finally the season where something gives and Wenger is actually forced to change his approach.
It doesn't seem that way. He seems happy to keep promoting his youth when a player is sold.

I have always questioned whether he has funds available to buy? I also firmly believe that once your stadium is paid off ( BTW when will that be??) you will be a major force with serious cash to splurge. Unlike, City and Chelsea; you will have a very sound financial business model to build on.
 
I think you need to ask this question again once the summer transfer window has ended. If Cesc and Nasri stay, and key players are brought in then maybe. However, if Arsenal run out against Newcastle with the same squad that competed in the Emirates Cup, then I can postively tell you, No.
 
It doesn't seem that way. He seems happy to keep promoting his youth when a player is sold.

I have always questioned whether he has funds available to buy? I also firmly believe that once your stadium is paid off ( BTW when will that be??) you will be a major force with serious cash to splurge. Unlike, City and Chelsea; you will have a very sound financial business model to build on.

I think it's more of a case of Wenger spending the money rather than is there actually money to spend. The stadium is a long term thing so I don't think it will be paid off anytime soon. And in any case, even if there was no stadium debt to speak of, would Wenger spend money then? I doubt it.
How many 'nearly' seasons are we in for? How many youngsters will Arsenal develop just to haggle with contracts and eventually sell them to teams with clear intent a few seasons later.
 
I think you need to ask this question again once the summer transfer window has ended. If Cesc and Nasri stay, and key players are brought in then maybe. However, if Arsenal run out against Newcastle with the same squad that competed in the Emirates Cup, then I can postively tell you, No.

Good point.
Arsenal . . . bring in . . . key players ?? Just doesn't sound right does it :p
 
Good point.
Arsenal . . . bring in . . . key players ?? Just doesn't sound right does it :p

Arsenal haven't been far away from a trophy winning side for quite a few seasons now. One or two needed signings during the season would've done the trick. Wenger's shortfall has been the preference to promote the youth/reserves to fill the gap of an obvious weakness in the team. Sometimes it works (Chezney, Cesc, Wilshere) and sometimes it doesn't (Diaby, Denilson, Almunia, Bendtner). Ultimately it is a risky philosophy. We are seeing it right now with Gibbs and Traore being tipped on being the 1st team LWB after the departure of Clichy.

There should be a happy medium between promoting the youth and buying experience. The later, Arsenal are lacking AT THE MOMENT. We can only hope this is addressed in the next 30 days.
 
Arsenal haven't been far away from a trophy winning side for quite a few seasons now. One or two needed signings during the season would've done the trick. Wenger's shortfall has been the preference to promote the youth/reserves to fill the gap of an obvious weakness in the team. Sometimes it works (Chezney, Cesc, Wilshere) and sometimes it doesn't (Diaby, Denilson, Almunia, Bendtner). Ultimately it is a risky philosophy. We are seeing it right now with Gibbs and Traore being tipped on being the 1st team LWB after the departure of Clichy.

There should be a happy medium between promoting the youth and buying experience. The later, Arsenal are lacking AT THE MOMENT. We can only hope this is addressed in the next 30 days.

Yip, two words describe Arsenal perfectly - 'almost' and 'nearly' :D
I sometimes wonder what pressure is placed on Wenger. I mean if the Arsenal board actually told him that he had to win something this season what would he do?
At the end of last season it was clear he was losing his cool. Something was finally starting to boil over. It was good to see. But yeah, so far this pre-season, it seems as if that little fire has burnt out and we're back to the same old story.
 
Now this pretty much sums up why I started this thread:

Boos Show Wenger Might Not Last Season

We all know that this time of year is full of phoney wars. Friendly games which entertain but from which almost nothing should be drawn. Time and again, season after season, clubs have magnificent pre-season results only to fall flat on their face when the real action starts, and vice versa.

I seem to recall that in their league-winning 1973-74 season, Middlesbrough lost a pre-season friendly to Port Talbot reserves; not even the Port Talbot first team! The disgrace of it. We went on to lose just four games that season and rack up a record total of points.

So a Manchester United team have beaten a Barcelona team and an Arsenal side have drawn with New York Red Bulls. It means very little. We all know that don't we? Yes. Err no. not everyone.

Clearly to some Arsenal fans - those who booed off their side - it apparently means an awful lot. They took the surrender of their lead very seriously indeed. Perhaps they were complaining about the quality of the Chardonnay or maybe they just don't understand what pre-season games are all about but this early-season act of discontent has already piled some more pressure on the tiny, girlish shoulders of their squad.

This is the last thing needed by a squad who has been shown time and again to handle pressure badly, surely. Could rsene Wenger look any more physically tense; just looking at him makes you feel worried. He looks like a man waiting for a proctologist to enter the room. Every muscle seems gripped with fear and worry. He must have heard those boos and thought 'Christ almighty, I might as well quit now because this season isn't likely to be easy'. Indeed, it's likely to be one of the hardest of his tenure. There's more competition from Manchester City, Spurs and Liverpool and his methods and players of the last few years have, to say the least, been found wanting when push came to shove.

If a meaningless pre-season drawn game receives the opprobrium of the paying public then what will happen if they get beaten when the league begins? He must know that almost all his capital is exhausted at the club - rightly or wrongly - many fans want him gone and already fear that these pre-season games have shown the fragility of last season is still endemic.

The team has to hit the ground running this season - partly because they play Liverpool and Manchester United in August - but also because there is so much impatience and frustration with the side that has clearly not been expunged since last season. It bubbles away just below the surface. The promised significant squad additions have not yet happened, their best player will eventually, we assume, be sold. None of these things are bringing the Arsenal massive pleasure. There is dissent and rebellion in the ranks. They have to win early and win well and keep on winning. If they don't, personally, I can't see Wenger surviving the season. I think he'll walk away and walk away quite early in proceedings. A defeat at Spurs on October 2 might be a significant moment.

No-one has patience for excuses, for injuries, for anything other than great performances and victories this year and that seems an unlikely scenario.

Pre-season games mean very little - except when your own fans decide to boo you for not winning them. When that happens, as a manager, it's pretty much time to start the car.
 
I know a couple of Arsenal fans that want Wenger out, and a few that believe he should stay.... :confused:
 
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