Islam infested by extremists, cleric says

saturnz said:
if it fits the definition of terrorism, then it is terrorism
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Not that simple..

terrorism - the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/schmid-terrorism-definition/html

he Definition of Terrorism

Terrorism is a contested concept. While there are many national and regional definitions, there is no universal legal definition approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations (the one proposed by the Security Council in Res. 1566 (2004) is non-binding, lacking legal authority in international law). The Ad Hoc Committee on Terrorism of the 6th (legal) Committee of the General Assembly has, with some interruptions, been trying to reach a legal definition since 1972 - but in vain. In the absence of a legal definition, attempts have been made since the 1980s to reach agreement on an academic consensus definition. The latest outcome is the revised definition reprinted below. It is the result of three rounds of consultations among academics and other professionals. A description how it was arrived at can be found on pp. 39 - 98 of Alex P. Schmid (Ed.). The Routledge Handbook of Terrorism Research. London and New York: Routledge, 2011. The same volume also contains 260 other definitions compiled by Joseph J. Easson and Alex P. Schmid on pp. 99 -200.

Revised Academic Consensus Definition of Terrorism (2011)

Compiled by Alex P. Schmid

1. Terrorism refers, on the one hand, to a doctrine about the presumed effectiveness of a special form or tactic of fear-generating, coercive political violence and, on the other hand, to a conspiratorial practice of calculated, demonstrative, direct violent action without legal or moral restraints, targeting mainly civilians and non-combatants, performed for its propagandistic and psychological effects on various audiences and conflict parties;

2. Terrorism as a tactic is employed in three main contexts: (i) illegal state repression, (ii) propagandistic agitation by non-state actors in times of peace or outside zones of conflict and (iii) as an illicit tactic of irregular warfare employed by state- and non-state actors;

3. The physical violence or threat thereof employed by terrorist actors involves single-phase acts of lethal violence (such as bombings and armed assaults), dual- phased life-threatening incidents (like kidnapping, hijacking and other forms of hostage-taking for coercive bargaining) as well as multi-phased sequences of actions (such as in ‘disappearances’ involving kidnapping, secret detention, torture and murder).

4. The public (-ized) terrorist victimization initiates threat-based communication processes whereby, on the one hand, conditional demands are made to individuals, groups, governments, societies or sections thereof, and, on the other hand, the support of specific constituencies (based on ties of ethnicity, religion, political affiliation and the like) is sought by the terrorist perpetrators;

5. At the origin of terrorism stands terror – instilled fear, dread, panic or mere anxiety - spread among those identifying, or sharing similarities, with the direct victims, generated by some of the modalities of the terrorist act – its shocking brutality, lack of discrimination, dramatic or symbolic quality and disregard of the rules of warfare and the rules of punishment;

6. The main direct victims of terrorist attacks are in general not any armed forces but are usually civilians, non-combatants or other innocent and defenceless persons who bear no direct responsibility for the conflict that gave rise to acts of terrorism;

7. The direct victims are not the ultimate target (as in a classical assassination where victim and target coincide) but serve as message generators, more or less unwittingly helped by the news values of the mass media, to reach various audiences and conflict parties that identify either with the victims’ plight or the terrorists’ professed cause;

8. Sources of terrorist violence can be individual perpetrators, small groups, diffuse transnational networks as well as state actors or state-sponsored clandestine agents (such as death squads and hit teams);

9. While showing similarities with methods employed by organized crime as well as those found in war crimes,terrorist violence is predominantly political – usually in its motivation but nearly always in its societal repercussions;

10. The immediate intent of acts of terrorism is to terrorize, intimidate, antagonize, disorientate, destabilize, coerce, compel, demoralize or provoke a target population or conflict party in the hope of achieving from the resulting insecurity a favourable power outcome, e.g. obtaining publicity, extorting ransom money, submission to terrorist demands and/or mobilizing or immobilizing sectors of the public;

11. The motivations to engage in terrorism cover a broad range, including redress for alleged grievances, personal or vicarious revenge, collective punishment, revolution, national liberation and the promotion of diverse ideological, political, social, national or religious causes and objectives;

12: Acts of terrorism rarely stand alone but form part of a campaign of violence which alone can, due to the serial character of acts of violence and threats of more to come, create a pervasive climate of fear that enables the terrorists to manipulate the political process
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S7wede said:
Incorrect. It's a war of ideals, not arms. That is something I expect to hear from a terrorist, not a self proclaimed moderate. On the other hand......
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wasn't it Bush that described it as a War against Terror?

do you want me to quote others who have also referred to this war against terror, even in this year?

and I'm not a self proclaimed moderate, that's an assumption you made
 
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S7wede said:
he also said "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure". You and the rest of the Muslim world going to take him seriously?
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given that he invaded Iraq illegally, yeah you have to take him seriously if he is the leader of the most powerful military government in the world
 
saturnz said:
given that he invaded Iraq illegally, yeah you have to take him seriously if he is the leader of the most powerful military government in the world
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you like to throw out these accusations without anything to back them up factually. Some might call that speaking out of there ass, or you know, your opinion, which we already have established, I don't really care for.
 
S7wede said:
you like to throw out these accusations without anything to back them up factually. Some might call that speaking out of there ass, or you know, your opinion, which we already have established, I don't really care for.
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so what do you want me to back factually in that statement?

does the US not have the largest military in the world? is that false, is it an accusation?

did they not invade Iraq illegally? is that false? is it an accusation?

you want to try again and be more specific?
 
S7wede said:
1 is factual and the other is not. Take your pick. I'll wait.
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you said I was a self proclaimed moderate, care to back that up with evidence

that's an accusation you made
 
S7wede said:
If i'm mistaken on that then please forgive me. May I ask where you stand on the scale of crazy extremist to paragon of Muslim tolerance?
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too late, you accuse me of making accusations when you do so yourself

move on
 
So I'm big enough of a man to admit I was wrong on your being a moderate, then let it be shown here that you are too cowardly to admit that you have radical beliefs. You started the accusations and now you can't argue past that point.
 
lived666 said:
So play the ball not the man..is there anything incorrect in this post, is Islam not being infested by extremists, the Kabul car bomb just yesterday killed what is it, 80 people....and the day before...and who knows what todays death toll by muslims extremists is going to be.
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