Israel's war on the Arabic language

Xarog said:
It's in the interests of all Jews (and people) to live in a stable state that sees after their well-being without risking their destruction. Whether they can see that or not is irrelevant.
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LOL. Here comes that deft slip-sliding again. Must say - I had no idea you were concerned about the interests of the Jewish folk.
 
Splinter said:
LOL. Here comes that deft slip-sliding again. Must say - I had no idea you were concerned about the interests of the Jewish folk.
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It's not slip sliding. If you stand universally for humanity you never have to move anywhere.
 
Xarog said:
It's not slip sliding. If you stand universally for humanity you never have to move anywhere.
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Oh please. I doubt anyone here on this forum who has read a selection of your posts would think you "stand universally for humanity".

But, for ****s 'n giggles - will you please state here, in writing, that you care for the interests of Israel and Jews, and stand with them, as much as you do so for the Arab nations.
 
Xarog said:
Explain to me how 48% of Israel's population wanting all non-Jews forcibly expelled to you means that the non-Jews have no cause for actual fear.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4775861,00.html

Note the Jewish publication reporting the results, which the article properly linked to.

No one's sugar coating anything, you're just in denial. The longer you stay in denial, the longer you fail to address the real problems that threaten to destroy Israel.
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That's 48% of Israeli Jews not Israel's population, just for the record. This is another example of laying the BS on with a trowel however. The topic at hand is Arabs being afraid to speak Arabic in public. You can't use a fear of being expelled to prove that there is a real fear of real consequences for speaking Arabic in public.
 
Splinter said:
Oh please. I doubt anyone here on this forum who has read a selection of your posts would think you "stand universally for humanity".

But, for ****s 'n giggles - will you please state here, in writing, that you care for the interests of Israel and Jews, and stand with them, as much as you do so for the Arab nations.
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I don't care for the interests of any nation-state. I care for the well-being of the people living inside those nation states. I think arbitrary lines in the sand drawn over culture, race, religion, politics etc. etc. is utterly ****ing pointless.

So yes, that includes the Jews very much. They're human, are they not? And as for who I stand with, it's people in general. Anyone who wants to stand with me is welcome, though.
 
Nick333 said:
That's 48% of Israeli Jews not Israel's population, just for the record. This is another example of laying the BS on with a trowel however. The topic at hand is Arabs being afraid to speak Arabic in public. You can't use a fear of being expelled to prove that there is a real fear of real consequences for speaking Arabic in public.
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No, I can use the real fear of being expelled to point to the fact that the Arabic speaking public thinks the country is full of hateful racists. Tell me, do you fear what hateful racists might do to you or not? Do you think hateful racists seek to undermine you and your way of life/language or not?

But yeah, my bad on the 48%, I should have been less careless and referred specifically to the Israeli Jews.

Tell me Nick, if a black person wanted to expel you from this country on the basis of your skin colour, what would you think of him?
 
Nick333 said:
That's 48% of Israeli Jews not Israel's population, just for the record. This is another example of laying the BS on with a trowel however. The topic at hand is Arabs being afraid to speak Arabic in public. You can't use a fear of being expelled to prove that there is a real fear of real consequences for speaking Arabic in public.
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Edit: Actually, I'm pretty sure what you are doing here is saying "look, if half of Israeli Jews want to remove the Arabs from Israel, surely they are capable of anything else they are accused of?" Anti-Semitism 101. ;)
 
Nick333 said:
Edit: Actually, I'm pretty sure what you are doing here is saying "look, if half of Israeli Jews want to remove the Arabs from Israel, surely they are capable of anything else they are accused of?" Anti-Semitism 101. ;)
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Not quite.

I'm saying at some point you have to admit that racists being racist is going to mean that Israel's politics is driven by racism. At some point, you have to realise that this is the reality for the Israeli Arabs who are in the minority inside Israel. That this racism is what drives the conflict with the Occupied Territories and makes a peaceful settlement absolutely impossible...
 
Xarog said:
I don't care for the interests of any nation-state. I care for the well-being of the people living inside those nation states. I think arbitrary lines in the sand drawn over culture, race, religion, politics etc. etc. is utterly ****ing pointless.

So yes, that includes the Jews very much. They're human, are they not? And as for who I stand with, it's people in general. Anyone who wants to stand with me is welcome, though.
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Dude - you are side-stepping again.

You state you don't consider nation-states - yet you seem to attack Israel (and the USA)?

But to humour you:

Please state in writing that you stand with Jewish folk, and support them and have their interests at heart, as much as Arabic populations.
 
Xarog said:
No, I can use the real fear of being expelled to point to the fact that the Arabic speaking public thinks the country is full of hateful racists. Tell me, do you fear what hateful racists might do to you or not? Do you think hateful racists seek to undermine you and your way of life/language or not?

But yeah, my bad on the 48%, I should have been less careless and referred specifically to the Israeli Jews.

Tell me Nick, if a black person wanted to expel you from this country on the basis of your skin colour, what would you think of him?
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What would I think of him if my fellow whites were trying to destroy him, his nation and his country is is the more honest question. I'd think that he wasn't entirely irrational. I would make an effort to assure him that those were not my aims.
 
Xarog said:
Not quite.

I'm saying at some point you have to admit that racists being racist is going to mean that Israel's politics is driven by racism. At some point, you have to realise that this is the reality for the Israeli Arabs who are in the minority inside Israel. That this racism is what drives the conflict with the Occupied Territories and makes a peaceful settlement absolutely impossible...
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A rational fear of people who share the ideology and identity of your enemies is not racism.
 
Xarog said:
Not quite.

I'm saying at some point you have to admit that racists being racist is going to mean that Israel's politics is driven by racism. At some point, you have to realise that this is the reality for the Israeli Arabs who are in the minority inside Israel. That this racism is what drives the conflict with the Occupied Territories and makes a peaceful settlement absolutely impossible...
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At some point you also have to realise that they don't care, or they think they deserve it.
 
Xarog said:
So yes, that includes the Jews very much. They're human, are they not? .
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Seeing as you are someone who is fixated on semantics, it is obvious you thought you were being very clever (just for a change :whistle: ) with this specific terminology.

Very much = not totally


"are they not", with a question mark afterwards, means just another dig at them.

Anyway - this will just make you go into other deluge of slip-sliding verbal theatrics. Doesn't camouflage your true beliefs though ;)
 
Nick333 said:
What would I think of him if my fellow whites were trying to destroy him, his nation and his country is is the more honest question. I'd think that he wasn't entirely irrational.
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Hey dude, do the racists in this country believe in the reality of white monopoly capital or not? Do they perceive you as a real threat or are they just lying about it?

You think there aren't white racists out there trying to destroy all the black? :erm:

I would make an effort to assure him that those were not my aims.
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Uhuh. And when it became clear he wasn't listening? I mean, he's racist, right?
 
Xarog said:
I'm saying at some point you have to admit that racists being racist is going to mean that Israel's politics is driven by racism.
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Now, how does anyone interpret this as other than saying that Israels citizens are racist...
 
Splinter said:
But to humour you:

Please state in writing that you stand with Jewish folk, and support them and have their interests at heart, as much as Arabic populations.
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@Xaarog - please - still waiting for this.
 
Splinter said:
Seeing as you are someone who is fixated on semantics, it is obvious you thought you were being very clever (just for a change :whistle: ) with this specific terminology.

Very much = not totally


"are they not", with a question mark afterwards, means just another dig at them.

Anyway - this will just make you go into other deluge of slip-sliding verbal theatrics. Doesn't camouflage your true beliefs though ;)
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Humanity includes the Jews very much. Humanity includes the non-Jews very much. All are equally part of humanity. Humanity is universally and individually bestowed with basic human integrity and value. It's really not a complicated philosophical/moral/political position, I assure you.

But I note how you dodge your feelings for the Jews, seeing as you didn't answer my question. So why aren't you providing your own credentials, Mr Inquisitor? Hmmmmm?
 
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