IT salaries: Highest paying SA cities

[UnUnOctium]

the 15 min average Traffic time we have on our way to work balances out any kind of monetary gain our Guateng counterparts have to suffer through(not to mention stress and quality of life you benefit from not having to spend 2 hours a day in the traffic).

Yes, but it's unbalanced again when you have to buy a new car every 4 years because your current one has turned into a rust bucket

 

[joy_Energiser]

Yes, but it's unbalanced again when you have to buy a new car every 4 years because your current one has turned into a rust bucket

Hehe yea, so true.Just get an Audi or whatever other car has an Aluminium frame, that should sort the problem out.

 

[TheShadow]

Fair enough, but seriously, surfing has to be one of the best sports in the world. No money can replace that in my life, its something I do every weekend with my family and friends. The extra money I'd earn in JHB will prob be wasted trying to entertain ourselves.

it's great that you do enjoy surfing so much, but eventually the responsibilities of life matter more.

and in response to another reply regarding rent, there comes a point when you have to stop renting and start building assets. sure there are other ways to build assets such as shares etc, but theres nothing more stable than property.

 

[VioAdmin]

the 15 min average Traffic time we have on our way to work balances out any kind of monetary gain our Guateng counterparts have to suffer through(not to mention stress and quality of life you benefit from not having to spend 2 hours a day in the traffic).

Yea Honestly, do they really think everyone is a godamn IT manager, how pointless.

I bet you think females and non whites are getting the raw deal don't you, agh shame.Man I pity your thought process.

Have you compared Durbans rent and general cost of living to JHB? Think again about your statement

Omg please wake up, this is BEE/AA fault, they hire non whites to fill the quota and pay them much less.Then they hire the people with actual skills and pay them accordingly.Blame the guva-MUNT for this.

Geez, I'm shocked people can't understand this simple issue.

You are simply wrong.

These stats do not lie! Something is not adding up...it IS the government/corprations fault because those that are in control set these unfair wages. This is not news to anyone. The same is true in America and Europe. It is MORE surprising that it is happening here since the majority of the people here are blacks(colored included) yet they are the ones losing. Is it not a little...odd?

Do not lie to yourself, these stats tell you exactly what is going on in this Country/Continent. We have a long way before we can claim Equality, the sooner you understand, the better.

 

[_Peek]

Thanks !

That explains it very well. Thus, I'm a white person being paid the same as a black person, yet have to work like a white person... HHHmmm

Did you not know ?

White is the NEW black

 

[_Peek]

the majority of the people here are blacks(colored included) yet they are the ones losing. Is it not a little...odd?

PSsssstt..

Would that not rather be, "some of them are losing" ..... "most of the other brothers and sistas are very very ... settled"

Have you seen the average black perons' car on the roads these days?

The rich will become richer whilst the poor will become poorer, regardless of race, ethnics, or religion. Cause some people (and I'm not using the term majority) are just TOOO stupid for any job that requires a fully functional brain (be that at only 3 %) ! FULL STOP !

 

[battletoad]

...It is MORE surprising that it is happening here since the majority of the people here are blacks(colored included) yet they are the ones losing. Is it not a little...odd?

My brother got a BSc in comp sc last year. Started off as a tester/automation analyst. He barely makes enough for food and transport, yet some other guy who just finished matric and got some 3-6 month diploma gets more than double his salary. They started off at the same time and more or less do the same work. As for skills, he finished a job off in three months whereas the timeline set was for six months. The other dude looks as if he'll miss his deadlines. Yip, my brother's coloured. Told him to use this experience as a learning curve as at the place i worked before going back to studying, i suffered far worse treatment than he has had to deal with now. Cut it whichever you want but certain companies have dubious practices. If anyone finds what i'm saying as debatable i challenge you to walk a mile in my shoes and come back having the same opinion.

Do not lie to yourself, these stats tell you exactly what is going on in this Country/Continent. We have a long way before we can claim Equality, the sooner you understand, the better.

Correlation does not necessarily imply causation (remember lies, damned lies and statistics?). This is a complex issue, there are a plethora of factors (e.g. whites have greater access to tertiary education => higher salaries). Yes, there may be some discrimination taking place but focusing solely on one aspect takes away from the bigger picture. I believe it'll take at least another generation before these things reach equilibrium, they have a habit of working themselves out. That being said, proper govt intervention (headed by people who know what they're doing) wouldn't hurt at all.

 

[krycor]

My brother got a BSc in comp sc last year. Started off as a tester/automation analyst. He barely makes enough for food and transport, yet some other guy who just finished matric and got some 3-6 month diploma gets more than double his salary. They started off at the same time and more or less do the same work. As for skills, he finished a job off in three months whereas the timeline set was for six months. The other dude looks as if he'll miss his deadlines. Yip, my brother's coloured. Told him to use this experience as a learning curve as at the place i worked before going back to studying, i suffered far worse treatment than he has had to deal with now. Cut it whichever you want but certain companies have dubious practices. If anyone finds what i'm saying as debatable i challenge you to walk a mile in my shoes and come back having the same opinion.

I think that is where its gone pear shaped but not really.. basically he needs to gain the/a year or twos experience and then move one elsewhere. Why? IT industry and in general industry works pretty much like the way car, house and food prices work with inflation and rand fluctuations.. it will go up, but never come down in a hurry. So basically what companies try and do is keep your salary as low as possible for as long as possible so that their bottom line / profit is good. Only he can turn this around by:
1. Make sure the position is in a language / technology / industry sector(financial back-end programming is different from e.g. crm or edr/etl for stores etc. sure technically its the same thing, heck they can be in the same language but you won;t easily move industries because there will be the 'financial' experience requirement.. stupid, but that's the way it is even though they will have business analysts..) .
2. Gain a LOT of experience and do work efficiently. <-- dont care what you earning now, when you start in IT its about experience and confidence initially. the more you get it the more you realise that IT companies are milking the industry which will lead to point 3. Also if its a good company they will give him bonuses after a few months (i.e. not a fluke) because in the end they dont want to lose him.
3. He is from University.. not College. If i could apply a really bad generalisation to types of developers vs degrees/diplomas it would be something like (this ignores personality influences):
a. commerce/is - business analysts like developers, they easily see the business side of things. Some who focused on IT more will be more cs/eng tho pending personality, best business analysts are these guys who develop initially with same technology..
b. eng - these become architects faster than you can spell it out load. A good engineer developer is one that rapidly adapts technology and uses it where suitable and will be more involved in design, architecture and processes/standards, will over engineer solutions at times pending experience.
c. msc it - pretty much below and like eng developers pending which way they lean
d bsc it - pretty much code things and design in ways that conform well. usually they able to adapt but not as fast dnt ask why it makes no sense, but i suspect its a swim or sink scenario further studies or eng forces u to do. they will get solutions for a limited number scenarios.
e diploma - these guys code and code and rarely more than it they dont often think beyond thee simple get it done and working for this problem.

So assuming he goes the extra mile for a while, gets invaluable experience .. guess what, when he leaves and gets something somewhere it will likely be a huge jump in salary or counter offer. But this is where it gets interesting and degree + personality will either make him wealthy, rich or just decently paid. You see the way the market is working and SA + Africa headed with the internet opening up is this.. there is a heck of a lot opportunities to do what you want, you just need to take the right opportunity. All you need is guts, experience, equipment/software etc and time with a business plan. If he learns anything useful at work it will not be 100% technology but rather how the business operates, costs etc. why?

TIA, opportunity is rife and entrepreneurs are starting to lead the way. I think anyone with a 4+yr or hons or better degree particularly in engineering in IT that doesnt try something is wasting time. I mean sure you could work your way up etc but in IT working as a developer for the rest of your life is kind of a real waste if you always working for someone else and companies are outsourcing more often than not. So uhm.. yah.. then again some people are happy doing what they are and never looking beyond

 

[Rouxenator]

Stellenbosch FTW !

 

[h0ll0w]

You are simply wrong.

These stats do not lie! Something is not adding up...it IS the government/corprations fault because those that are in control set these unfair wages. This is not news to anyone. The same is true in America and Europe. It is MORE surprising that it is happening here since the majority of the people here are blacks(colored included) yet they are the ones losing. Is it not a little...odd?

Do not lie to yourself, these stats tell you exactly what is going on in this Country/Continent. We have a long way before we can claim Equality, the sooner you understand, the better.

You, sir, are incredibly shortsighted.

You are the one who is way, way out of touch with reality.

The only real solution for you would be to ban every single white person out of south africa.

 

[joy_Energiser]

You are simply wrong.

These stats do not lie! Something is not adding up...it IS the government/corprations fault because those that are in control set these unfair wages. This is not news to anyone. The same is true in America and Europe. It is MORE surprising that it is happening here since the majority of the people here are blacks(colored included) yet they are the ones losing. Is it not a little...odd?

Do not lie to yourself, these stats tell you exactly what is going on in this Country/Continent. We have a long way before we can claim Equality, the sooner you understand, the better.

So you think there is some kind of conspiracy where whites are being paid more because they are....white ?Not because they are actually more skilled?
So your saying because the Majority here is black, they should be paid more?Its surprising that they are not paid more too. That's what your saying right ?

You do realise whites are being paid more because they are actually more skilled right now(obviously because of the oppression of apartheid prevented many blacks from gaining tertiary education)

Please just help me understand exactly what you are trying to say,let me just get this straight, so your saying blacks should be paid more(just because they are black) regardless of their skill level?I mean its not enough for you that black people are now employed just because of the colour of their skin(regardless of their actual skill) but you want them to actually be PAID MORE too now?

My god, the audacity.

If this is happening all over the world(whites earning more money than blacks) even in the most democratic country in the world, like you say, then surely this isn't a unique problem to South Africa, if anything, dare I say......it says something about Blacks <gasp>.

Oh wait, saying something like that is racist, well then the whole world must be racist,according to your logic.

Sigh, please get a clue before showing everyone the typical inferiority complex that plagues this country.

 

[CamiKaze]

gets invaluable experience .. guess what, when he leaves and gets something somewhere it will likely be a huge jump in salary or counter offer. But this is where it gets interesting and degree + personality will either make him wealthy, rich or just decently paid.

Im kinda lost on this as well. I understand what you say, and i am the guy who you are talking about btw, but what i dont understand is...how can the next company base my salary on my previous companies salary?

So say, for example, i earn R2500/month, and you go for an interview at a other company and the salary topic comes up, i cant claim R10 000, simply because my previous salary was R2 500. Whats up with that? And almost every company that i have went to tells me the same thing. Can you please shed some light, you seem very informative.

Btw, im a software tester, and the first and only automation engineer at my current company.

To me it seems like your qualification dont mean jack nowadays, companies only want people with experience, and i understand that, but i am in a team of highly skilled (black and coloured only) software testers, managed by whites who only have matric and at least 3 years experience in testing.

Also, what can you say about the industry standard salary and the crap that companies are trying to pay us?

 

[ichigo]

Pietermaritzburg pays badly with any job accounting/IT/Engineers etc. anyway to make them pay better?

I rarely see any Job being payed more than R8000 here. On average its like R4000. (Thats for like 2 - 5 years experience)

I get only R250 a day . I do 4 days a month doing the Bookkeeping (since theres lack of work to do full weeks)