It's Mr Video versus Universal Studios

The bigger picture

Hi Guys, I just came accross this blog and thought I would add my 2c worth. I get the feeling none of you actually work in the DVD/movie rental business so I would like to shed some light on things if I may. I've been in the industry 3 years now and currently own 2 x rental stores.

1. Rental stores in Southern Africa is not allowed to buy retail stock and rent it out as the rental stock is sold at a higher price (currently sometimes as much as up to R 290.00 per DVD. We pay a higher price for the "right" to rent out the movie before it becomes available on the local retail market (sometimes up to 2 months before it is released to retail).

2. Movies being released 1st in the USA is a BIG plus for us here (the public and the industry) because American Box Office statistics gives us a very good indication of how good or how bad a movie is and we can adjust our buying patterns accordingly. Lets face it there is nothing worse than paying for and watching a bad movie..

3. Parrallel imporing is illigal and it is hurting our industry. Nu Metro and Ster Kinekor pay millions for the right to distribute the studio's products in South Africa (in theatre, rental and retail) and they are loosing alot of money because of parallel importing. Can you imagine what would happen to our theaters, rental stores and retail stores if these 2 companies had to be liquiated? No more theaters, no more independant rental stores... Loads of jobs lost, loads of small businesses closing... Mr Video may have 230 rental stores country wide but how many other franchises and independent rental stores are there? 1000? 2000?

4. Yes you can import a DVD or CD for that matter but only for private home use. You are not allowed to make money from it. Mr Video is making money from it.

5. I personally think that renting out Zone 1 is against competitions comission rights as I do not have the infrastructure or finances to import movies direct from America so my businesses are suffering.

I feel what Mr. Video and some other people in the industry are doing with parallel importing is immoral and illigal and I hope they nail them for putting our industry in this mess. I feel they have no standards and they are damaging our industry, putting at risk the 8 jobs I have created in my 2 shops and my liveleyhood and I know for a fact other rental store owners who feel exactly the same as I do. I have 3 Mr Video shops within a 4km radius of my 2 stores and I cant wait for the courts to clear out their zone 1 stock.
 
1. Rental stores in Southern Africa is not allowed to buy retail stock and rent it out as the rental stock is sold at a higher price (currently sometimes as much as up to R 290.00 per DVD. We pay a higher price for the "right" to rent out the movie before it becomes available on the local retail market (sometimes up to 2 months before it is released to retail).

Do you know whether SK/Nu-Metro pays a once-off fee?

2. Movies being released 1st in the USA is a BIG plus for us here (the public and the industry) because American Box Office statistics gives us a very good indication of how good or how bad a movie is and we can adjust our buying patterns accordingly. Lets face it there is nothing worse than paying for and watching a bad movie..

Eh, you will have seen the Box Office stats for the movie while it is on circuit in the US and here. No need to further wait to see how it does on the rental circuit.

3. Parrallel imporing is illigal and it is hurting our industry. Nu Metro and Ster Kinekor pay millions for the right to distribute the studio's products in South Africa (in theatre, rental and retail) and they are loosing alot of money because of parallel importing. Can you imagine what would happen to our theaters, rental stores and retail stores if these 2 companies had to be liquiated? No more theaters, no more independant rental stores... Loads of jobs lost, loads of small businesses closing... Mr Video may have 230 rental stores country wide but how many other franchises and independent rental stores are there? 1000? 2000?

Can you quote the law that makes it illegal. As with any grey goods/parallel goods, all it should mean is that you do not have access to the local channels should something go wrong with the product.

4. Yes you can import a DVD or CD for that matter but only for private home use. You are not allowed to make money from it. Mr Video is making money from it.

Again this may be the case in the US, but do our laws specifically provision for that?

5. I personally think that renting out Zone 1 is against competitions comission rights as I do not have the infrastructure or finances to import movies direct from America so my businesses are suffering.

Your point here hinges on whether our law does prohibit video rental from sources other than SK/Nu-Metro.

I feel what Mr. Video and some other people in the industry are doing with parallel importing is immoral and illigal and I hope they nail them for putting our industry in this mess. I feel they have no standards and they are damaging our industry, putting at risk the 8 jobs I have created in my 2 shops and my liveleyhood and I know for a fact other rental store owners who feel exactly the same as I do. I have 3 Mr Video shops within a 4km radius of my 2 stores and I cant wait for the courts to clear out their zone 1 stock.

don't these mr videos hire people? immoral = no!
 
ffs if movie tickets didnt cost as much as R55 each people might go watch them more often :p
 
I'm sure most (if not all?) of my NTSC discs are 24p
Amongst mine, some are 23.97, others 29.97, and a handful are a mix. Some of my PAL discs are also a mix of progressive and interlaced.
 
1. Rental stores in Southern Africa is not allowed to buy retail stock and rent it out as the rental stock is sold at a higher price (currently sometimes as much as up to R 290.00 per DVD. We pay a higher price for the "right" to rent out the movie before it becomes available on the local retail market (sometimes up to 2 months before it is released to retail).
Somebody needs to start parallel importing to put a stop to all that nonsense. There is definitely no valid reason for rental stores to have a lead on retail. There is also no excuse for not allowing the rental and retail stores to source the version of their choice from anywhere on the planet. Such restrictions are bad. That way lies communism and other nasty things.

2. Movies being released 1st in the USA is a BIG plus for us here (the public and the industry) because American Box Office statistics gives us a very good indication of how good or how bad a movie is and we can adjust our buying patterns accordingly. Lets face it there is nothing worse than paying for and watching a bad movie..
So should I be avoiding what is popular in the US?

Sounds like a big negative to me and possibly why good movies sometimes never arrive on our shores. If I want to rent something I am stuck with whatever the local mob decide to distribute here, and I'm stuck with whatever horrible butchered version they decide to release locally. When buying at least I can bypass these clowns.

Maybe instead of whining the video rental shops, particularly the smaller ones, should have stood together to fight rental pricing and demand some sort of quality standard along with a choice of the full range of available movies.
 
Do you know whether SK/Nu-Metro pays a once-off fee?

Yes sign a contract with the right to distribute just like any other company that represents or distributes product for an overseas based company.

Eh, you will have seen the Box Office stats for the movie while it is on circuit in the US and here. No need to further wait to see how it does on the rental circuit.

You don't quite get the point. but then you are set to think you are being done in somehow and that I don't have the right to make available movies for people who prefer to rent (at max cost of R27 per movie and min R15.00 on contract) instead of buying and collecting DVD's. Not everyone is a collector and not everyone likes to buy every movie they want to watch.

Can you quote the law that makes it illegal. As with any grey goods/parallel goods, all it should mean is that you do not have access to the local channels should something go wrong with the product.

If it wasn't illigal Universal would not be sueing Mr Video. Distribution rights are bought and paid for by NM & SK. Mr Video does not have the distribution rights

Again this may be the case in the US, but do our laws specifically provision for that?

Yes our laws provide for it. see point above.

Your point here hinges on whether our law does prohibit video rental from sources other than SK/Nu-Metro.

Don't you think there is enough crime in this country already? If someone broke into your house and stole your Tv and DVD player and sold it to someone else and proffits off it do you think it is legal? This is what Mr Video is doing to our industy.

don't these mr videos hire people? immoral = no!

Yes they creat jobs and I welcome the competition. Does that give them the right to hold a monopoly through illigal distribution of parallel imported goods?
 
Somebody needs to start parallel importing to put a stop to all that nonsense. There is definitely no valid reason for rental stores to have a lead on retail. There is also no excuse for not allowing the rental and retail stores to source the version of their choice from anywhere on the planet. Such restrictions are bad. That way lies communism and other nasty things.

The studios set release dates not the local industry. NM and SK has no say in when the studios release theatrical, rental or retail in S.A. and why is this such a problem for you? How does it affect you?


So should I be avoiding what is popular in the US?

If it is popular in the US it will be popular here also. If it bums in the US we know to have less teatrical releases and to buy less stock of the product.

Sounds like a big negative to me and possibly why good movies sometimes never arrive on our shores. If I want to rent something I am stuck with whatever the local mob decide to distribute here, and I'm stuck with whatever horrible butchered version they decide to release locally. When buying at least I can bypass these clowns.

Unless you own a rental store and as long as you are buying and using for home/private use only I have no problem how many or what titles you bring in. If you open a video shop 2km from me and rent it out (the illigal part) I have a huge problem with it. Do you know that some legal trading rental stores has had a drop of as much as 40% in there turnover because of other stores in their area renting out parallel imported dvd's? Some people prefer to buy and some prefer to rent. We supply to the market that prefers to rent. I stock rental and retail in my shop. The retail is only 5% of my turnover so I have made a decision to no longer stock the retail. My customers prefer to rent and I would rather use that floor space to cater fortheir needs.

Maybe instead of whining the video rental shops, particularly the smaller ones, should have stood together to fight rental pricing and demand some sort of quality standard along with a choice of the full range of available movies.

I have no problem paying what I pay for the right to rent out movies earlier than they ecome available on retail. I even sell off some of my stock a couple of weeks later at only R70.00 per disc. Polished and cleaned and good as new. And the price we pay at the moment per DVD has come down already from around R450.00 per disc so yes we have put up a fight.
 
No they do not hold a monopoly. What you are putting forward is a monopoly. A free competitive environment is one where you can source your goods from wherever as long as those goods are not counterfeit.
 
From the DTI website
http://www.thedti.gov.za/ccrd/parallelimportationofgoods.htm

Parallel Importation of Goods
This Consumer Alert pertains to the prohibition of certain unfair practices perpetrated by parallel importers of grey goods, i.e. "importing goods destined for other markets to another without authorisation ".



What is Parallel Importation?

Consumers buy goods or products without knowing the destined market or country of origin of these goods. To an average consumer goods or products in the market are supposed to be safe or meet certain minimum standards. This is not always the case. The business practice of parallel importation or trading in grey goods occurs when goods, which are intended for sale in one market, are exported from their original destination to another country without the authorisation of the manufacturer or the licensed importer.

The goods are not necessarily inferior. They are genuine products but not destined for the South African market for example.

The practice is potentially harmful to competitors of grey goods and consumer of such goods.

How is parallel importation marketed?

The marketing, sale and distribution of parallel imports are usually done through middlemen (licensed importers) in conjunction with or to the exclusion of direct selling by manufactures. The middleman is the only link between manufactures and consumers. Manufacturers would, if they chose to sell directly to consumers, establish offices in those countries where their target market is placed and stock the necessary parts and technical expertise for those relevant products.

In the majority of cases middlemen are appointed by their foreign principals as the exclusive importers of the principal's product. Most of the parallel importation in South Africa is done through middlemen or licensed importers. The middlemen, it must be noted, is an independent businessman and is not controlled by the manufacturer. The effect of the license is that it allows the licensee i.e. the middleman, to have access and exclusive importation rights of the manufacture's products while at the same time it guarantees the manufacturer access to the market. In return the licensed importers assume certain obligations such as marketing, after-sales and protection of the goodwill acquired, by ensuring consumer protection and satisfaction.

What action can you take

On the face of it parallel importation is a legitimate business practice. The obligations of a local distributor or licensee to sometimes ensure that the imported equipment is approved by South African Bureau of Standards (SABS); and of licensed importers have to be recorded in certain instances as registered users of the brand in terms of the Trade Practice Act in certain instances, indicate that it is a legitimate business practice.

The problem arises where the parallel importation parasites on another parallel importer illegally, and consumers are exploited with use of false information or total non- disclosure.

Two examples may be used to illustrate instances where parallel importation may amount to unfair business practice:

Where goods or products are sold without a guarantee from the manufacturer or his/her authorised agent. Such goods are usually referred to as "grey goods";
Firms in the business of parallel importation and sale of grey products via distributors of the foreign principal of the local licensee based in other parts of the world in breach of the distributors' obligations to the foreign principal;
A significant feature of parallel importation "grey goods" is that although the goods are sourced indirectly from the foreign manufacturer, they are not distributed through the preferred or authorised distributors or distribution channels or with authorisation, which usually imposes some obligations.

In representations made to the Consumer Affairs Committee on behalf of distributors of hi-fi equipment, television equipment, video cameras, watches, photographic equipment, it was alleged that parallel importers tend to enter markets where the demand for particular products has already been stimulated. As a result, they are sharing in the gains without having made any contribution.

Parallel importers of grey goods do not generally disclose to consumers that they are not authorised dealers of the foreign principal or local licensed importer. The consumer is also disadvantaged because they do not disclose that they have none the benefits and obligations of being authorised dealers. Parallel importers do not provide service and back-up facilities, and consequently licensed distributors are compelled to provide repair services on goods that they, as licensed distributors did not sell.

The Committee has investigated the matter and concluded in a report contained in Notice 1077 of 1993 that parallel importation has multiple facets.

According to the Notice following conditions must be met before the sale of parallel imports can be regarded as a legitimate business practice:

Dealers indicate clearly in their warranty related literature and where appropriate on all sales receipts:
Whether any guarantee is supported by the manufacturers;
Whether the guarantee is supported by the seller only/or any organisation unrelated to the manufacturer or the licensed distributors network, specifying that the consumer may not be entitled to any rights, including any rights for repair or replacement against licensed dealers of the product or the manufacturer, except as provided by common law or statute;
If there is no guarantee.
Dealers who have been notified by or on behalf of the manufacturer that the goods being sold by the dealer are in a form or state which is approved by the owner of the trade mark under which they are sold or offered for sale to inform customers accordingly;
Retailers to refrain from representing goods as having a sponsorship, approval, status, guarantee repair and back-up services, affiliation or connection recognised by the proprietor of the trade mark under which they are sold.
Remedies, penalties and fines

The Consumer Affairs (Unfair Business Practices) Act, 71 of 1988, is an enabling piece of legislation. It confers wide investigative powers on the Committee and recommends corrective action to the Minister to ensure the discontinuance of unfair business practices. If the Minister accepts the recommendation of the Committee, an order is published in the Government Gazette declaring an unfair business practice prohibited.

An infringement of an order by the Minister is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine not exceeding R200 000 or imprisonment for a period not exceeding five years or both a fine and imprisonment.

What action can you take?

If you are uncertain or you have not been provided with clear disclosure that you are purchasing grey or parallel imported good or product, or need further information or advice, please contact:

the dti Customer Contact Center at 0861 843 384 (ask for the consumer help line) or facsimile (012) 394 2436
Or write to the dti at:
the dti
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Consumer and Corporate Regulation Division
Private Bag X84
PRETORIA
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No they do not hold a monopoly. What you are putting forward is a monopoly. A free competitive environment is one where you can source your goods from wherever as long as those goods are not counterfeit.
Do you know that parallel importing is hurting our business more than piracy? Ster Kinekor has retrenched half or their staff in the last year (if not more) and Nu Metro has also had to scale down. Like our unemployment is not high enough already...
 
Do you know that parallel importing is hurting our business more than piracy? Ster Kinekor has retrenched half or their staff in the last year (if not more) and Nu Metro has also had to scale down. Like our unemployment is not high enough already...

Sorry, but maybe you should find a more viable business. I'm more interested in the effect on consumers.
 
I completely understand your concern. the rental industry is a service industry. Consumers has the need for affordable entertainment and we try our best to meet those needs.

Basically I feel that the only thing the customer will lose out on is to have to wait between 2 weeks to 2 months longer for the studios to release some of the movies in our local market. And 50% of the time the most of the movies are available here at the same time it is available in the USA/Uk market. and 20% of the time (mostly on the BIG titles like I am Legend, Hitman, Golden Compass to name a few) the rental and retail movies are released locally on the same day and often even the same day as it is released overseas by the studios.

It is a viable business and a great one to work in if everyone respects eachother, work together and play by the rules. I would not swap it for anything. It's showbiz, what's not to like? I do this because I love movies and I love working with people.

I'm not argueing with you guys, I'm just trying to show you the bigger picture. You look at it from a consumers' point of view and there is nothing wrong with that - you want variety and value for money. I'm saying don't support these guys because they are breaking the law and hurting the rest of our industry right from the top - the studios and the local distributers through to the legit trading shop owners and staff jobs...
 
Last time I checked movies is Showbusiness... ;-) or did it change to politics... Now that would be funny.
 
because they are breaking the law and hurting the rest of our industry right from the top - the studios and the local distributers through to the legit trading shop owners and staff jobs...

have the results of the case been announced so we can ascertain whether they are breaking the law?
 
The fundamental flaw in the arguement is that you believe that the 'official' channels play it fair. The last thing that business wants is fairness. Fairness is a notion brought in by governments to attempt to offer some relief to consumers from price gouging by a monopoly.

So what you have is a distribution channel that tries to milk every cent that it can by having agreements that have a cinema circuit release, a video outlet release, a retail release, and then a TV release.

And on top of that they delay the screening of certain films to cover the slump times. Recently we have had 'Dan in Real Life' and 'Starter for 10'. The first one came out last year and the second, the year before that. And how long did it take for Michael Clayton to get on circuit? No, the release schedule is not determined with the consumers interests in mind.

Further, Ster Kinekor do not see DVDs as copyright material so much as a product to be sold. Oh, they'll be right up there belating on about copyright infringement and the rest if someone makes a copy. But try this: Take your most favourite movie that has their sticker on the box and snap it in half. Now go to them and ask for a replacement.

You paid about R150 for right to access the material subject to a whole bunch of constraints, chief amongst them that it would be for private viewing. The material cost of that disk is, say R2.00. Offer to pay R50 for the replacement and the admin and see what response you get. Don't think about having the arguement that the cost also includes marketing and distribution. The marketing already worked, you bought it already, and you are there to collect. You will find that Ster Kinekor believe that you shouldpay the full price again and care less for your rights to access the material.

Try another trick, but this time use a music CD from Gallo that you bought a year or so ago. Apply a blow torch. Now go and ask for a replacement copy. Tell them you'll pay full retail. Now you'll find out that they destroyed all the copies that weren't sold in the first 6 months and you, once again,cannot access the material you paid for the right to access.

So the arguement seems that we should be more careful with the things we buy. In the States you will find that for most products that you can get a replacement free (well, a bit of shipping and handling) within the first 3 months, and after that you'll pay about $10 for a replacement.

It was asserted that we are all done big favours by waiting for the films to be screened to see what the audiences overseas think. Well, how do you account for the fact that a lot of the movies we get here only get one or two stars in a review?
 
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