Jail sentence.

[XC] Oj101;16092450 said:
You still have no idea what Pollsmoor is like. It takes a white collar criminal and turns them into a murderer.
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Any specific links to cases where this happened?
 
Ho3n3r said:
Any specific links to cases where this happened?
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Not at hand, but there are plenty of articles around talking about how someone went in for a petty crime and faced the ultimatum of do X or have X done to you. I'll have a look later if you'd like.
 
Here's more

Cases reaching the South African court system as a result of murders committed in prison confirm that gang members may be instructed to kill other prisoners. In such cases, the fact of gang membership may be regarded as extenuating circumstances. See, for example, S. v. Masaku 1985 3 SA 908 (A); S. v. Magubane 1987 2 SA 663 (A).
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footnote on this page
 
The company is still doing fine. What I want to know is there a way of changing the sentence to correctional supervision and community service.
 
Like i mentioned before, they went through hell the last 4 years. They offered to "Julius" the money but to no avail.
 
[XC] Oj101;16092566 said:
Kill him or I'll kill you

[video=youtube;vLkRA2pdBdE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkRA2pdBdE[/video]
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Sounds like that prison itself needs rehab to be honest. Clearly there is no control. But then again, this is nothing strange for this country.
 
This is very sad, not only will she come out of there a completely different person she will never again be able to support herself financially through any normal job stream.

R80 000 in the bigger picture is not a lot of money, it didn't bring the company down and well we have no idea what her circumstances were that drove her to do such a stupid thing. I can't stand in judgement of her, we just don't know what made her do it.

OP, your best option is to contact a criminal lawyer and find out exactly what her options are. Decent lawyers cost a hell of a lot, but saving her from this misery may be worth it. Even if they can just have her moved to another prison.
 
[XC] Oj101;16092450 said:
You still have no idea what Pollsmoor is like. It takes a white collar criminal and turns them into a murderer.
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Yes well, I had to close a company and send 6 employees home to tell their families they are homeless, due to a similar situation. A bit personal for me, so I digress.
 
Ho3n3r said:
The prospect of prison deters many from doing it in the first place. If prison isn't an option for white collar criminals any more, it will be chaos.
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You heavily underestimate the power of human decency. A financial penalty, plus some, plus some kind of reparitive time consuming service, will deter the same amount of people. It will just ensure that people that make mistakes like that, are kept away from the influence of prison life.

Prison works on paper, but in practice it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
WhiteRaven said:
This is very sad, not only will she come out of there a completely different person she will never again be able to support herself financially through any normal job stream.

R80 000 in the bigger picture is not a lot of money, it didn't bring the company down and well we have no idea what her circumstances were that drove her to do such a stupid thing. I can't stand in judgement of her, we just don't know what made her do it.

OP, your best option is to contact a criminal lawyer and find out exactly what her options are. Decent lawyers cost a hell of a lot, but saving her from this misery may be worth it. Even if they can just have her moved to another prison.
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+1
 
heartbroken said:
Yes well, I had to close a company and send 6 employees home to tell their families they are homeless, due to a similar situation. A bit personal for me, so I digress.
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What you mean is that you had to send 6 people home to tell their families that they were unemployed. If you are employable, you will find work again before the finances crash through the floor.

It might be personal to you and it hurt your financial situation a lot. But honestly, has sending the person to jail made any financial reparations to you at all? All it does is satisfy the darker need for revenge. But it really isn't justice. Justice would be ensuring that the person somehow makes financial reparations to all those directly effected. Perhaps helping you to get to a point where you could re-open a new company, while assisting those other families too.

I don't necessarily have the perfect answer, but I know that jail is not the right answer in most cases. It is just far easier to administer by the government, than coming up with more creative solutions to individual crimes. That is the only reason that jailtime exists for all crimes, not because it is true justice.
 
SoulTax said:
You heavily underestimate the power of human decency. A financial penalty, plus some, plus some kind of reparitive time consuming service, will deter the same amount of people. It will just ensure that people that make mistakes like that, are kept away from the influence of prison life.

Prison works on paper, but in practice it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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A correctional facility that functions close to as it should is pretty helpful. Going by that video, Pollsmoor and the like are not close to functioning as it should. I doubt we have any in the whole country.

And I lost my faith in human decency a long time ago - most days, it doesn't even exist.
 
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