Just got mugged for the first time...

Robin Hood said:
K...i think were on the same wave-lenth now...My MAIN concern is the crime OVER-ALL...No use to go dig for something thats long gone ( which ppl like to do as ive noticed on this site ).
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Yes, maybe we are, now.

But, previously you agreed with UnoPanelVan's statement that "excessive violence is of course a unique ethnic African trait." You said that one only needs "experience" in order to understand and accept what he said.

I'm sure I've asked you in the past to be careful of what you say.
 
PostmanPot said:
So if genes cause crime, are we not saying that blacks are genetically prone to crime?

We are not, says criminologist Diana Fishbein of the University of Baltimore, who studies the brain chemistry of violence. 'Two hundred years' worth of discrimination - that's why so many blacks commit crimes,' she says.
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Prob i have with THIS statement is, how many people stated this as "true"? Was this statment backed up by another institute or something?
 
Robin Hood said:
Prob i have with THIS statement is, how many people stated this as "true"? Was this statment backed up by another institute or something?
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No idea.

I found a rebuttal in the link Uno used to try and prove his absurd statement, so I'm happy enough.
 
All I can say is have you seen the movie "The Brave One"? Reading towards the ending of the passage made me think of that movie ;)

Sorry to hear about your loss though - but as always, rather your belongings than your life (or a loved one).
 
PostmanPot said:
Yes, maybe we are, now.

But, previously you agreed with UnoPanelVan's statement that "excessive violence is of course a unique ethnic African trait." You said that one only needs "experience" in order to understand and accept what he said.

I'm sure I've asked you in the past to be careful of what you say.
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Oh...you were saying why i said EXPERIENCE??...Ill still stick with it because thats how I see it...Not something i "read" on the internet or such..Ive been robbed, and nearly beaten to DEATH with a PANGA.....AFTER being "polite" to a black guy....Am i not entitled to class my statement as "experience"??...Have YOU ever been nearly killed, or is all the "stuff" you get only information you find on the Internet?..btw i was assulted and robbed 3 times...IN REAL LIFE!...i cant help for what i feel...and no one will change ME, and no one will change YOU ...this is only MY view :)
 
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'african crisis' is a quite overtly rightwing racist site in many ways, and one should understand that this is its angle on things. Its always on the lookout for articles which 'prove' that black people are subhuman in one way or another. I've no problem with that. You're entitled to be a racist in a democracy, if thats what lights your candle - but don't point to websites with an obvious racial agenda and bias, to prove arguments of a statistical nature. It doesnt reflect well on your debating skills :P

There are plenty of studies on crime in SA, showing that excessive violence tends to be used in SA crimes, in comparison to crimes elsewhere. The race aspect is irrelevant to the argument. 'Muggings' in other countries are far less likely to involve violence than in SA. Do some Googling on crime studies, they're online..
 
LoneGunman said:
'african crisis' is a quite overtly rightwing racist site in many ways, and one should understand that this is its angle on things. Its always on the lookout for articles which 'prove' that black people are subhuman in one way or another. I've no problem with that. You're entitled to be a racist in a democracy, if thats what lights your candle - but don't point to websites with an obvious racial agenda and bias, to prove arguments of a statistical nature. It doesnt reflect well on your debating skills :P

There are plenty of studies on crime in SA, showing that excessive violence tends to be used in SA crimes, in comparison to crimes elsewhere. The race aspect is irrelevant to the argument. 'Muggings' in other countries are far less likely to involve violence than in SA. Do some Googling on crime studies, they're online..
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No LoneGunman...I might sound like a racist, im not one...I just keep an "eye" on them, because this bugger took me from behind AFTER having a "nice decent chat" with me...He actually "tamed" me...if i may call it like that....and THEN hit me from behind...After he hit me, i turned around and looked at him ( cause i couldnt believe my eyes ) and my words to him was "what are you doing?"...he just came for me and hit with this panga...at the end i had to f'n FLEE...Now, seeing ALL my "attacking experiences" were blacks-related, can you blame me?? Its only but OBVIOUS youre going to put 1 and 1 together...Even after all this sh*t, im not someone who are going to hold it against all the blacks, as thats not my style...Lets say they taught me to be causious about them...thats all...Their doings....not mine...
 
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LoneGunman said:
'african crisis' is a quite overtly rightwing racist site in many ways, and one should understand that this is its angle on things. Its always on the lookout for articles which 'prove' that black people are subhuman in one way or another. I've no problem with that. You're entitled to be a racist in a democracy, if thats what lights your candle - but don't point to websites with an obvious racial agenda and bias, to prove arguments of a statistical nature. It doesnt reflect well on your debating skills :P

There are plenty of studies on crime in SA, showing that excessive violence tends to be used in SA crimes, in comparison to crimes elsewhere. The race aspect is irrelevant to the argument. 'Muggings' in other countries are far less likely to involve violence than in SA. Do some Googling on crime studies, they're online..
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Racism has nothing to do with it. The articles are a true reflection of what it going on. I can not remember seeing any made up articles on there.

Only the jokes are from someone's imagination but still based on real scenario's

EDIT: I do understand that it only highlights the really bad stories that may make it sound like a racist website but that is not the purpose.
 
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Robin Hood said:
Oh...you were saying why i said EXPERIENCE??...Ill still stick with it because thats how I see it...Not something i "read" on the internet or such..Ive been robbed, and nearly beaten to DEATH with a PANGA.....AFTER being "polite" to a black guy....Am i not entitled to class my statement as "experience"??...Have YOU ever been nearly killed, or is all the "stuff" you get only information you find on the Internet?..btw i was assulted and robbed 3 times...IN REAL LIFE!...i cant help for what i feel...and no one will change ME, and no one will change YOU ...this is only MY view :)
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Sure. I understand what it's like being a victim of crime as I am one too. I'm sure just about everyone in SA has been a victim.

However I don't think your experience proves that black violence is an ethnic African (genetic) trait.
 
Trust me...NO will EVER be able to proof it is, or is NOT...( maby one day when science is matured well enough )...But i do believe ( my oppinion )there is a link somewhere between criminality and race...Unfortunatly thats all i can tell you...
 
PostmanPot said:
I'm sure just about everyone in SA has been a victim.

However I don't think your experience proves that black violence is an ethnic African (genetic) trait.
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What does the bold letters tell you?..Must tell you SOMETHING ;)
PS: your own words...
 
Robin Hood said:
What does the bold letters tell you?..Must tell you SOMETHING ;)
PS: your own words...
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It certainly doesn't allude to crime being related to a genetic trait in ethnic Africans. Maybe it does for you. I expect nothing different from right-wing conservative Afrikaners brought up thinking that they are superior to others.
 
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It certainly doesn't allude to crime being related to a genetic trait in ethnic Africans. Maybe it does for you. I expect nothing different from right-wing conservative Afrikaners brought up thinking that they are superior to others.
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Poor you...maby you must look around and see for yourself...
 
Uh?...you want to tell me you cant figure out whats happening around you?...Obviously you must realize that there is major crime?...Get a book if you dont know how to, and write down everytime a crime is being commited and nexto it, put the guy's ethnicity...This way youll be able to get quite good statistics...Whatever you write down, ill believe...If your book say its "whites"...ill believe you...If it says "blacks", ill also believe you, because i know your book wont lie...Happy hunting ;)
 
Of course I realise that there is "major crime". I have never said anything to make you think differently.

Tell me, what would the statistics mean if 80% of perpetrators of crime in SA are black?
 
PostmanPot said:
Of course I realise that there is "major crime". I have never said anything to make you think differently.

Tell me, what would the statistics mean if 80% of perpetrators of crime in SA are black?
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That would only indicate a START of the "stastistics" to determine if there REALY are any significance to DNA or not...Then we'll have to work out the Ratio of ALL cultures...once that has achieved, THEN can you go and get a ratio Crime vs Culture/Race...so its not THAT easy. My MIND tells me that if 80% is the ratio, there is something major stuffed up with the blacks then...but its still not "fact" if i havnt got the ratios :)
 
The main issue is not WHO is the main culprits...the issue is HOW do you stop it? and that i doubt will never be achieved...
 
One only has to look at the past (and current conditions) to see the so-called "stuff up".
 
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