KENYA!. Another African Failure?

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What a depressing thread to wade through.

@NoADSLyet, the phrasing of your question in the first post looks like cage-rattling rhetoric to me, so I'm going to ignore that last bit :).

NoADSLyet said:
I was following recent events re the elections there and it reminded me so much of our own local crisis.
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I don't see the connection between actual election violence and the situation in S.A., and you haven't widened that statement with specifics in an attempt to make a connection. IMO you scored an own-goal right there :).

sandmanm34 said:
or you could stay and fight but yeah I think leaving is the popular choice...
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Serious question sandmanm34 (i.e. not flamebait :D):
What are your thoughts on the staying and fighting part? Actually, I'd welcome constructive suggestions from anybody on this one. (Please restrain the impulse to suggest armed revolt etc. :rolleyes:). Threads like this one often only lead to further polarisation, nobody ever seems to get the part where we don't grab our passports and leave, but stay on as sandmanm34 suggested.
 
timgaul said:
Afterall it is the one that keeps you alive most :rolleyes:
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What? Leaving? That's for sure but it's a boring, tired option. We all going to die, life is tragic but I wouldn't want to be spending it in NZ with the boring old Macnabs as my neighbours. Stay and fight and if you lucky you go down in your sleep age 80 and if not you go down in a blaze of gunfire caught between an AK47 wielding gang and a cash van, either way the end result is the same...

Where esle in the world can they say about a cricketer, '' he was shot 5 times but survived and is still playing cricket for SA.", referring of course to Andrew Hall? Hell man this country is about survivors as much as it's about comrades and freedom fighters and Africa is wild, rough and hard but it builds character and characters the rest of the world can only stand and admire...

We the world rugby champs for Gods sake. We a shining example of a new democracy obtained without blood shed. We the capital of the African continent and we will build from strength to strength on the shoulders of men with African character...
 
fskmh said:
Serious question sandmanm34 (i.e. not flamebait :D):
What are your thoughts on the staying and fighting part?
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Well I'm not in sighting a call to arms if that's what you getting at, fight crime, fight ignorant and flippant politicians, fight poverty, fight the urge not to be tolerant, fight complacency, fight affirmative action with entrepreneurship, fight hate with love, fight negativity with postivity, fight to make a difference....

We need to get on with the job of building a nation...
 
feo said:
Off topic, what a way to kick off '08. :(
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Agreed but honestly Kenya's political situation is in no way what so ever similiar to SA's so there wasn't and hasn't ever been any credibility to this thread in any event...
 
sandmanm34 said:
Agreed but honestly Kenya's political situation is in no way what so ever similiar to SA's so there wasn't and hasn't ever been any credibility to this thread in any event...
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People often force correlation with no verification to suite their intent.

@Feo, Indeed, its a shocking start to the year.
 
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sandmanm34 said:
fskmh said:
Serious question sandmanm34 (i.e. not flamebait ):
What are your thoughts on the staying and fighting part?
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Well I'm not in sighting a call to arms if that's what you getting at, fight crime, fight ignorant and flippant politicians, fight poverty, fight the urge not to be tolerant, fight complacency, fight affirmative action with entrepreneurship, fight hate with love, fight negativity with postivity, fight to make a difference....

We need to get on with the job of building a nation...
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I think you misunderstood me on the call to arms thing :).
 
marine1 said:
Bwahahaha is that what you believe? You think JZ has charisma,? ROFLMAO
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not me, I've never met the man let alone experienced his charisma but the 2500 odd politicians that voted for him think he has and it's well documented in the press and by people that know him that he is very charismatic...
 
sandmanm34 said:
not me, I've never met the man let alone experienced his charisma but the 2500 odd politicians that voted for him think he has and it's well documented in the press and by people that know him that he is very charismatic...
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He's charismatic in a corrupt criminal kinda way...:D
 
marine1 said:
Bwahahaha is that what you believe? You think JZ has charisma,? ROFLMAO
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I surprise myself by getting excited by our new president in waiting JZ. We have been led by an elusive racist arrogant pr*ck for so long, anyone would be better.
 
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