Kill a Cow

Nick333 said:
Short of operating an informal abattoir in a backyard, why should you not be allowed to slaughter an animal there? It is quite easily done hygienically and is certainly no more unhygienic than slaughtering an animal that has been hunted in the bush.
I care very little for the western sensibility that condones the eating of butchered animals only if they come in nice small packages so that we can forget that they were in fact recently living creatures.
Calling someone barbaric for eating an animal that they have killed themselves is hypocritical. Being offended by the bellowing of an animal in its death throws because it puts you off of your afternoon steak braai is hypocritical.
This my problem with this thread, it only serves to portray blacks as savages an barbarians because they don't have the western need to disguise and hide the bloody reality that the eating of meat requires.
As to bizarre rituals, it is no more bizarre than rituals that are preformed every weekend by the major religions. At least this particular ritual has the added bonus of a good beef dinner afterwards. In fact it is a ritual we are all involved in on a massive scale everyday but just don't want to admit to.
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I don't have a problem with the slaughter (bellowing aside - JontyB makes a good point about doing it humanely), but I really do have a problem with it being done in residential areas out of health concerns.

I don't live in the suburbs, btw - I'm on a 5 acre plot and my neighbours have slaughtered animals before. I've seen it happen and even participated once (side note : slaughtering a pig is a mission). My objection doesn't come from the fact that I don't want to be around people who slaughter animals. :)
 
Religion is a crock so dont use them being bizarre with me, cause I agree.

Oh, and i slap my friends on the head when they litter out the car window and, and say: "Wat the *** doen jy? Is jy 'n witmens huh? Gedra jouself dan soos een". Nothing pisses me of than someone trying to be act all superior while he does the same bloody things as those he thinks hes superior too.

I have no problem with seeing guts and cutting up carcasses or killing animals (to eat or to relieve their suffering). Apparrently you dont know how filthy people can be, i can be filthy myself sometimes, that why we need a few rules for everyone to live by. Nothing to do with sensibilities.

Like at the time of the Madhi (guy that sieged and took Khartoum from the English), the desert tribes that were encamped around the nile convergence suffered greatly with diseases because the desert tribespeople shat whereever they wanted cause thats what they did in the great outdoors...
 
jontyB said:
I care even less for inhumane and barbaric cultural rituals like slaughtering an animal in a fashion designed to make it "bellow" or muti murders. I think I'm easier to tolerate with my meat packages than a murderous tribesman wanting to prove he's a man.
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Easier to tolerate by whom? Other neat and clean meat package eating people thats who.

Do you think that you are superior because the particular animal, that was designed and bred for millenia for the sole purpose of being eaten, that you are eating, suffered a little less in the process of being slaughtered.

Evidently the things that make us civilized are rather small.

As an honest question: are you one of those people who think that speaking loudly in public or even shouting to each other from half a block away is acceptable?
 
Nick333 said:
I care very little for the western sensibility that condones the eating of butchered animals only if they come in nice small packages so that we can forget that they were in fact recently living creatures.
Calling someone barbaric for eating an animal that they have killed themselves is hypocritical. Being offended by the bellowing of an animal in its death throws because it puts you off of your afternoon steak braai is hypocritical.
This my problem with this thread, it only serves to portray blacks as savages an barbarians because they don't have the western need to disguise and hide the bloody reality that the eating of meat requires.
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Interesting that you bring this up, I'm vegetarian and share a similar view. A slaughterhouse in my opinion is no less barbaric than a ritual killing in ones backyard. Hygiene aside, it doesn't detract from the fact that an innocent animal has been killed just to fill our tummies.

I know somebody is bound to bring up the point of it being natural and carnivores do it in the wild all the time. However they do it to survive. We don't live in the wild and as humans we are not short of food supplies via other sources.
 
Xarog said:
I don't have a problem with the slaughter (bellowing aside - JontyB makes a good point about doing it humanely), but I really do have a problem with it being done in residential areas out of health concerns.
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Then you should know that an animal can be slaughtered hygienically almost anywhere. There is no reason to assume that it will pose a health risk to you. People should rather make it their business to ensure that its done hygienically than try and stop it all together.
 
Nick333 said:
Then you should know that an animal can be slaughtered hygienically almost anywhere. There is no reason to assume that it will pose a health risk to you. People should rather make it their business to ensure that its done hygienically than try and stop it all together.
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The thing is most houses isn't equipped to do it right. What happens to all the blood after the slaughter? You can't just hose it into the sewer system.
 
Nod said:
The thing is most houses isn't equipped to do it right. What happens to all the blood after the slaughter? You can't just hose it into the sewer system.
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A sewer system is fit for crap but not for blood? :confused:
 
Nick333 said:
Then you should know that an animal can be slaughtered hygienically almost anywhere. There is no reason to assume that it will pose a health risk to you. People should rather make it their business to ensure that its done hygienically than try and stop it all together.
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And exactly how are you going to dispose of all the guts and skin and blood? Leave it lying around in the rubbish bin outside until the council comes to collect it?

In densely built-up areas you are just asking for trouble.

Highflyer_GP said:
Interesting that you bring this up, I'm vegetarian and share a similar view. A slaughterhouse in my opinion is no less barbaric than a ritual killing in ones backyard. Hygiene aside, it doesn't detract from the fact that an innocent animal has been killed just to fill our tummies.

I know somebody is bound to bring up the point of it being natural and carnivores do it in the wild all the time. However they do it to survive. We don't live in the wild and as humans we are not short of food supplies via other sources.
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Ja, but you kill innocent plants when you want to eat, right?
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Interesting that you bring this up, I'm vegetarian and share a similar view. A slaughterhouse in my opinion is no less barbaric than a ritual killing in ones backyard. Hygiene aside, it doesn't detract from the fact that an innocent animal has been killed just to fill our tummies.

I know somebody is bound to bring up the point of it being natural and carnivores do it in the wild all the time. However they do it to survive. We don't live in the wild and as humans we are not short of food supplies via other sources.
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But meat just tastes so darn great HF :D

Seriously though meat has always been our most efficient source of protein.
 
Nod said:
The thing is most houses isn't equipped to do it right. What happens to all the blood after the slaughter? You can't just hose it into the sewer system.
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Seriously though, what do abattoirs do with the blood?
 
Nick333 said:
But meat just tastes so darn great HF :D

Seriously though meat has always been our most efficient source of protein.
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Yeah I remember what it tastes like :D

However as tempting as it sometimes is, I've developed a new way of thinking over the past two years or so and trying to abide by it. However if it doesn't work out, I might be inviting myself to a braai or two, but at least I tried :p
 
Xarog said:
And exactly how are you going to dispose of all the guts and skin and blood? Leave it lying around in the rubbish bin outside until the council comes to collect it?

In densely built-up areas you are just asking for trouble.
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Guts and such can be buried. Your black neighbours are probably not going to be doing this every other weekend you know. Its your right to make sure they don't leave rotten guts and stuff lying around.
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Plants lack consciousness as well as the ability of a thought process. They aren't aware of their existence.
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Actually it's not completely true. Some family of trees, will actually by means of chemicals, warn trees around them that a buck is feeding on them. Their leaves will then change chemically so that the buck won't be able to digest it, forcing it to move to another tree.

So it's "aware" in some sense that something is feeding on it.
 
Nod said:
Actually it's not completely true. Some family of trees, will actually by means of chemicals, warn trees around them that a buck is feeding on them. Their leaves will then change chemically so that the buck won't be able to digest it, forcing it to move to another tree.

So it's "aware" in some sense that something is feeding on it.
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But I doubt that fruit and vegetable plants have enough time to "warn" the other plants that they're being harvested :p
 
Nod's hit the nail on the head. Most plants react to their enviroment one way or another. Venus fly-traps actively trap animals... almonds dramatically increase their crop if you knock 'em about with a stick a few times. Plants adjust their behaviour according to the seasons.

Who says plants aren't aware?
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Yeah I remember what it tastes like :D

However as tempting as it sometimes is, I've developed a new way of thinking over the past two years or so and trying to abide by it. However if it doesn't work out, I might be inviting myself to a braai or two, but at least I tried :p
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Vegetarianism is a noble enough endeavour I suppose. I've thought about it myself, but I find my enjoyment of meat far outweighs any sentiment I feel for animals bred to be consumed by us. I don't even try to come to terms with it anymore. I'd rather eat a good old fashioned battery bred chicken to a free range woolies bone bag any day. :D
We are animals when you get down to it.
 
I prefer fish these days. Lighter on the stomach, and I think healthier in the long run, also easier to prepare.
 
Xarog in most instances you're not even eating the plant itself - you're eating what the plant bears. They may have chemical reactions that dictate their behaviour, however they're not capable of making independent decisions. In that sense they're not aware - they lack the ability to think.
 
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