Lay off Suarez will you!

[LazyLion]

You say that as if it is something that never happens in football, which leads me to think that you really don't watch it all that much. In which case... your comments hold about as much water as dehydrated chicken. If you are a regular viewer of the beautiful game (as it is called) then you would have noticed these types of circumstances happening many a time. Maybe not as blatant as what Suarez did... but they do happen.

The difference is.... as most of you seem to be ignoring... that Suarez did it deliberately. He reveled in it, celebrated it, and has been made a hero for it.

It's one thing, if it accidental or instinctive, but not deliberately planned. This was deliberately planned. Which makes it all the more heinous and unacceptable.

Instead of celebrating it, he should be apologising and showing that he did not intend to play outside the rules. That is sportsmanship.

 

[Archer]

Just send him to Ghana. I'm sure he'll receive a warm welcome

 

[JK8]

He used his hand to remove the first African team to make the semis, how can you defend that?

 

[CHURCHILL]

So, can i safely assume that the German goal keeper is also a known as a cheater, because he clearly saw the England goal cross the line, yet kept quite and did not do the right thing by owning up?

 

[Albereth]

The difference is.... as most of you seem to be ignoring... that Suarez did it deliberately. He reveled in it, celebrated it, and has been made a hero for it.

It's one thing, if it accidental or instinctive, but not deliberately planned. This was deliberately planned. Which makes it all the more heinous and unacceptable.

Instead of celebrating it, he should be apologising and showing that he did not intend to play outside the rules. That is sportsmanship.

I agree that it is not sporting to be proud of his action.

I cannot agree that it was deliberately planned - who plans to have the ball kicked at them in added time? But if you are saying that the idea is for every player to keep the ball out at all costs with seconds to go on the clock - well, I'd suggest then that just about every single player in the world possibly has the same idea.

The short of it is that Ghana could not score in 90 minutes, or in 120. Their only goal came in added time - and the 'saved goal' was also in added time. You want to avoid dispute - go put 4 past the opposition. Ask Germany.

 

[Albereth]

So, can i safely assume that the German goal keeper is also a known as a cheater, because he clearly saw the England goal cross the line, yet kept quite and did not do the right thing by owning up?

Yep - I'd agree.

But he'd also be liable for a yellow card if he had told the referee that he was wrong.

 

[JK8]

So, can i safely assume that the German goal keeper is also a known as a cheater, because he clearly saw the England goal cross the line, yet kept quite and did not do the right thing by owning up?

Possible... but theres also a possibility that he didnt see the ball bounce across the line.

 

[Albereth]

Lots of noise about Saurez being unsporting on this forum - but allow me to add the dismay I feel when it comes to South African fans. And sadly it seems to always involve Uruguay. The first dismal showing by South Africans was when we lost to Uruguay - 10 minutes before the game was over people had up and left. And on Friday night, the boos from thousands of South Africans when the penalties were being taken was shocking.

I am not saying that anyone has to like what happened - but get over it. It's making you nasty.

 

[Ronjay]

I agree that it is not sporting to be proud of his action.

I cannot agree that it was deliberately planned - who plans to have the ball kicked at them in added time? But if you are saying that the idea is for every player to keep the ball out at all costs with seconds to go on the clock - well, I'd suggest then that just about every single player in the world possibly has the same idea.

The short of it is that Ghana could not score in 90 minutes, or in 120. Their only goal came in added time - and the 'saved goal' was also in added time. You want to avoid dispute - go put 4 past the opposition. Ask Germany.

Does it really matter when goals are scored? What has that got to do with cheating? Saurez is lower then shark poo and that's the long and the short of it.

 

[Albereth]

Does it really matter when goals are scored? What has that got to do with cheating? Saurez is lower then shark poo and that's the long and the short of it.

No, it doesn't really matter. It has nothing to do with cheating. But if Ghana is now this fantastic team that should be in the semis, why didn't they score more goals in the 120 minutes they had? Let's face it - both teams aren't the best in the world and Uruguay got lucky. Calling Saurez names isn't going to make Ghana any better.

And if there is karma - Holland will trounce Uruguay.

 

[Ronjay]

No, it doesn't really matter. It has nothing to do with cheating. But if Ghana is now this fantastic team that should be in the semis, why didn't they score more goals in the 120 minutes they had? Let's face it - both teams aren't the best in the world and Uruguay got lucky. Calling Saurez names isn't going to make Ghana any better.

And if there is karma - Holland will trounce Uruguay.

I don't even like Ghana or Uruguay. And I am in no way saying that Ghana was a better side, they were not. But the fact remains that a goal would have been scored and Ghana whould have won if Shark Poo had not decided to break the rules. This in itself is bad but then he goes on to brag and be an all round @sshole. Sorry calling him shark poo is to good for him.

 

[LazyLion]

So, can i safely assume that the German goal keeper is also a known as a cheater, because he clearly saw the England goal cross the line, yet kept quite and did not do the right thing by owning up?

Yes... it also comes down to the definition of sportsmanship. BUT... in this case it is not really his call... it is the Ref's call.
It is not his duty to stop the game and call the ref's attention to it.
He is a third party.
I doubt the ref would even listen to him.

 

[Albereth]

Yes... it also comes down to the definition of sportsmanship. BUT... in this case it is not really his call... it is the Ref's call.
It is not his duty to stop the game and call the ref's attention to it.
He is a third party.
I doubt the ref would even listen to him.

If you want to see sportsmanship take a look at the cross that Podoloski put in for Klose. Klose scores and runs off to the sideline. Podolski waves his finger and says 'I think you were offside (but in German)'. Goal was given but Podolski stayed out of the hugs and kisses.

 

[Ronjay]

If you want to see sportsmanship take a look at the cross that Podoloski put in for Klose. Klose scores and runs off to the sideline. Podolski waves his finger and says 'I think you were offside (but in German)'. Goal was given but Podolski stayed out of the hugs and kisses.

Exactly. But Suarez thinks he is gods gift because he blatantly cheated.

 

[nivek]

If you want to see sportsmanship take a look at the cross that Podoloski put in for Klose. Klose scores and runs off to the sideline. Podolski waves his finger and says 'I think you were offside (but in German)'. Goal was given but Podolski stayed out of the hugs and kisses.

Are you referring to the Argentina game? Which # goal was that?

Sportsmanship is easy when you are 2-0, or 3-0 up, but its a different story in the last minute of an evenly poised game, anyone who says they wouldnt have done what Suarez did, in that situation and out of instinct, to save their team, is lying, had he not put his hand up Uruguay would've gone out the tournament 5 seconds later, he didnt have the luxury of time to consider his options, like we do

Ghana had its opportunity

 

[Albereth]

Exactly. But Suarez thinks he is gods gift because he blatantly cheated.

No - God's gift was Maradonna.

Saurez did not pretend that he hadn't handballed. I suppose we could argue that it is up to the officials to make the call but FIFA make this big noise about the game being fair play. But the only sanctions that happen are the those that involve money (or a bit of violence). If anything, FIFA likes the controversy - nothing sells better, and FIFA is all about the money.

At the risk of arguning against myself, for me the cheats are the divers. Torres, Capdevila, Iniesta are the worst. What? They are all from Spain? Seems like that is a Spanish tactic. I wonder how much time they spend practicing clasping their faces while rolling on the floor. Dive and you get a yellow card. But I think that only one card has been given for this in the last 60 games and games involving Spain have the ref asking the captains at the coin toss who wants the deep end.

 

[Albereth]

Are you referring to the Argentina game? Which # goal was that?

Sportsmanship is easy when you are 2-0, or 3-0 up, but its a different story in the last minute of an evenly poised game, anyone who says they wouldnt have done what Suarez did, in that situation and out of instinct, to save their team, is lying, had he not put his hand up Uruguay would've gone out the tournament 5 seconds later, he didnt have the luxury of time to consider his options, like we do

Ghana had its opportunity

Second German, first Klose.

And I agree on your statement. Saurez had an instant in which to make a decision that the rest of us have ages to say why it was the worng one.

But, from all accounts, he has bragged about it and that is a tad tacky.

 

[LazyLion]

If you want to see sportsmanship take a look at the cross that Podoloski put in for Klose. Klose scores and runs off to the sideline. Podolski waves his finger and says 'I think you were offside (but in German)'. Goal was given but Podolski stayed out of the hugs and kisses.

I'm sorry.. but I don't see the connection.

 

[Albereth]

I'm sorry.. but I don't see the connection.

Sorry.

The train of thought is about soccer players being cheats. But it is up to the officials to make the call.

Throw in the bit about the German goalkeeper having seen the ball cross the line from the England shot.

And nobody said boo - except the England team (and one or two other people)

Then, rather than tar all soccer players as being cheats I pointed out that Podolski (as much as he wants Germany to win) didn't join in the festivities when he crossed in to Klose who scored from what looked like an offside position. The linesman didn't wave his flag and the goal was awarded.

Klose was, in his mind, more onside that your average All Black in a rugby game so I won't fault him. Podolski had a good view but arguing with the ref (even if the ref is wrong) is a cardable offence.

Summary - from all the evidence that I have put forward we can conclude that Podolski is a gentleman, Spain cheat and Saurez broke a law.

 

[CodeMaster]

No - God's gift was Maradonna.

Saurez did not pretend that he hadn't handballed. I suppose we could argue that it is up to the officials to make the call but FIFA make this big noise about the game being fair play. But the only sanctions that happen are the those that involve money (or a bit of violence). If anything, FIFA likes the controversy - nothing sells better, and FIFA is all about the money.

At the risk of arguning against myself, for me the cheats are the divers. Torres, Capdevila, Iniesta are the worst. What? They are all from Spain? Seems like that is a Spanish tactic. I wonder how much time they spend practicing clasping their faces while rolling on the floor. Dive and you get a yellow card. But I think that only one card has been given for this in the last 60 games and games involving Spain have the ref asking the captains at the coin toss who wants the deep end.

I didn't realize there were so many scuba-divers in football... I have seen many divas though...