LCD and Plasma Bargains and Discussions thread

Roman4604 said:
Still completely contradicts your whole argument. Even if you can afford the FHD model, why would you spend the additional money when a comparible HD-Ready model is avaliable. Either the FHD counts or it doesn't, the budget is irrelevant.
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No it does not. Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs away in terms of picture quality. Sure, the latter resolves more detail closer up, as I've agreed all along. The point is it's negated when at a viewing distance, while the general PQ of the plasma is still extremely evident.

Better general picture quality, future-proof, resolves more detail at closer viewing distances.

I wouldn't let it phase me due to my viewing distance. I would still download in 720p. 1080p is not worth it when you don't sit close, waste of HDD space.
 
PostmanPot said:
Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs
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Your opinion which has been proven to be skatty at best.

My opinion, not a chance with quality FHD sources like HDPVR & Bluray. From the start I made it clear this is about the wisest investment of one's money in respect to achieving the best HDTV experience possible, which includes both source & display devices.
 
Your opinion is your own, why do you insist that you can win an argument based on opinion?
 
Roman4604 said:
Your opinion which has been proven to be skatty at best.

My opinion, not a chance with quality FHD sources like HDPVR & Bluray. From the start I made it clear this is about the wisest investment of one's money in respect to achieving the best HDTV experience possible, which includes both source & display devices.
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A factual objective opinion based on distance vs resolution vs PQ. It's the opinion of the majority of people if not everyone who does the correct testing, instead of incorrectly testing on a bright showroom floor from aisle viewing distance. By all means if they sit close in bright conditions the bright showroom tests would be more valid, and FHD is important when sitting close with FHD sources. But, like most people sit outside the suitable FHD range, most people watch and prefer to watch TV in darker conditions as well (esp. at night). Plasma does a better job under darker conditions. Same thing if it's HD Ready and at a distance. This is especially true at the entry to the market (go back to the post which irked you, and read again.)
 
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MyDogHasNoNose said:
Your opinion is your own, why do you insist that you can win an argument based on opinion?
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Goes both ways, but hopefully this debate will expose other buyers to all the facts helping them to make more informed/wiser choices rather than relaying on one sided rethoric like "Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs".
 
Roman4604 said:
Goes both ways, but hopefully this debate will expose other buyers to all the facts helping them to make more informed/wiser choices rather than relaying on one sided rethoric like "Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs".
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The only time they would not is when sitting close with 1080p media in a bright room.

Motion, colours, blacks, lighting uniformity, input lag, response time, are all generally better on plasma, especially when comparing entry models. Not everyone has 2 - 3 times the budget for higher end LCD which can compete.

But then I'd just buy a larger, better plasma!
 
PostmanPot said:
The only time they would not is when sitting close with 1080p media in a bright room.

Motion, colours, blacks, lighting uniformity, input lag, response time, are all generally better on plasma, especially when comparing entry models. Not everyone has 2 - 3 times the budget for higher end LCD which can compete.

But then I'd just buy a larger, better plasma!
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Repeating yourself ... blah, blah .... its done.
 
Roman4604 said:
Repeating yourself ... blah, blah .... its done.
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PostmanPot said:
Well yes and no. The scaling done by the 43" plasmas is really good for both SD and HD. While the 43" plasmas are marketed as being 720p/HD Ready TVs, and as you've seen they are indeed wide screen TVs, a true 720p source/resolution would be more like 1366x768 (51" HD Ready plasma) or 1280x720.

Since the 43" HDR plasmas are 1024x768 (with rectangular pixels for 16:9 wide screen), you will be losing out on some horizontal definition with 720p< sources, more so with 1080p. The conundrum here usually ends up being viewing distance (and eye sight), where if you're sitting, say 2.5m+ back, you might not be able to tell the difference, and the lower resolution would not irk you much. You might prefer that all SD channels/sources look good, and that you have a better overall picture quality, opposed to having the extra pixels which LCD gives you at the entry level.

Also, since HD PVR is 1080i (basically 1920x(540*2)), you might indeed want a 1080p Full HD 1920x1080 screen. Again it depends on your viewing distance. If I sit 1.5-2m from my friends' 46" FHD LCDs watching 1080i sport, I can notice the extra definition over my 42" HDR plasma. However once I'm at 2.5m+ back, I start losing the ability to tell the difference, and would rather take the picture quality of my plasma, especially when it comes to night time/dim viewing conditions where plasmas usually perform better.
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Roman4604 said:
Goes both ways, but hopefully this debate will expose other buyers to all the facts helping them to make more informed/wiser choices rather than relaying on one sided rethoric like "Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs".
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Of course it does, and yes, it's great to open people up to different opinions, but these subjects have been flogged for a few pages too long IMO.
 
Roman4604 said:
Goes both ways, but hopefully this debate will expose other buyers to all the facts helping them to make more informed/wiser choices rather than relaying on one sided rethoric like "Entry HD Ready plasmas at the low budget still blow entry FHD LCDs".
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Just because you don't get Pot's POV, why do you assume no-one else does? Basically, HD ready plasma still has a place in the market if you have certain viewing and budgetary conditions. Or am I missing something?
 
Spizz said:
Just because you don't get Pot's POV, why do you assume no-one else does? Basically, HD ready plasma still has a place in the market if you have certain viewing and budgetary conditions. Or am I missing something?
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IMHO FULL HD LCD should be compared to FULL HD Plasma. But because of FULL HD Plasma still being expensive, I agree that HD Ready plasma is still an option.
 
BlackWasp said:
IMHO FULL HD LCD should be compared to FULL HD Plasma. But because of FULL HD Plasma still being expensive, I agree that HD Ready plasma is still an option.
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Sure. But if you are a bit strapped, watch mainly SD when you bother watching at all, then HD ready plasma will give you an excellent PQ.

Also, not everyone wants to go down the full HD (tv,blu-ray, pvr etc) route even if they can afford it, because not everyone places such great importance on their tv. To many watching tv is an occasional activity and spending a bundle on it is pointless.
 
BlackWasp said:
IMHO FULL HD LCD should be compared to FULL HD Plasma. But because of FULL HD Plasma still being expensive, I agree that HD Ready plasma is still an option.
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Yeah when it comes to price and resolution only, you can only compare 46" LCD to 51" plasma. But this is the thing... 40" FHD LCD vs 51" HDR plasma.

Do you think resolution is important when sitting further away? If you sat further away, what do you think would add to your experience more: A smaller FHD 40" LCD, or a huge 51" HD Ready plasma that will give better overall picture quality under the right conditions?

(For Roman: Except when viewing up close and judging only on resolution, which is not the case in this scenario!)
 
Spizz said:
Sure. But if you are a bit strapped, watch mainly SD when you bother watching at all, then HD ready plasma will give you an excellent PQ.

Also, not everyone wants to go down the full HD (tv,blu-ray, pvr etc) route even if they can afford it, because not everyone places such great importance on their tv. To many watching tv is an occasional activity and spending a bundle on it is pointless.
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I have to agree with you. I comes down to "What do you want to use the TV for", much like someone buying a notebook, first question I ask is "What do you want to use the notebook for". It's no use buying a top of the range R30,000 DELL, if all you are going to do is update a spreadsheet, type a letter now and then, and read your e-mails. Then a R3000 Gigabyte notebook will be just fine. Of course there are always exceptions like people who insist having the best, or a certain brand, etc.

That being said, I agree with also with Roman in that your 5-6 HD channels on HDPVR covers most of my viewing. And I am glad I bought a FULL HD LCD instead of a HD Ready Plasma. Yes sure, I watch Frasier and Fresh prince on SONY channel, and my kids watch 301-305, but thats fine. Most of our movies I can record in Full HD on MM1HD or rent something on Boxoffice in HD or watch a blueray movie.

Thats not to say there is no place for HR Ready plasma, as you said, if you mainly watch SD content.

For an average user like myself, I will always suggest to others to rather buy a FULL HD set for 5-6K like the LA46d550, 47lk530 etc because I can talk from experience. But by all means, if you have the R80,000 to spend on a top of the range set, fee free. Again, each person have different budget and requirements.

I can just talk from personal experience, and I must say, being able to watch content in Full HD, opens up a new world.
 
PostmanPot said:
Have you compared on a 720p set?
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No, but wish I had. I want to see if the difference is visible to my eyes. But hey, like most people if I had to choose between a dual core cpu notebook/smartphone or or a quadcore, I will rather go for the quadcore if the price is only fractionally more, even though I will not be able to physically see the difference.
 
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