LCD and Plasma Bargains and Discussions thread

[Roman4604]

The motion handling is an issue for me as I like to game

Not quite the same thing. The E550 seems to battle with low/irregular frame rates which isn't exactly the same case with gaming i.e. the console/PC will be sending 60 fps progressive.

I honestly haven't done enough playing/investigation on the E550 to see if this type of input will be susceptible to motion anomalies. Theoretically there is a chance during complex scenes in games where the GPU is not able to render 60 full frames per sec, but I'm not sure if this would translate into visible judder?

PS: Some anecdotal experiences here with similar Samsung plasma ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6T3Wx5l7zU ... watch vertical edges moving horizontally.

 

[BlackWasp]

looking to buy 40es6200, came across this store through pricecheck

http://www.answholesalers.co.za/Buy-Now/LED-T.V/Samsung-UA40ES6200-40-LED-TV.html

i queried if anyone knows them on another thread just now and was wondering if anyone here knows or used them. As mentioned, testimonials seem excelent and prices are really good.

thanks in advance

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[The_Mad_Hatter]

I mailed them now to find out how come the item is no longer on their site.

The response they just moved hosting servers, and in the process the bach-up restored was from three weeks ago by the new hosting company. I have been there

Well, the salesperson, or whoever responded, told me that they actually do have stock and they only list products that are in-stock.
All stock from Samsung South Africa, with full warranties from Samsung directly and brand new, for R 6 299-00 and only R 150-00 to deliver. They even told me to contact Samsung, LG, Sony or any other supplier that they sell for to confirm that the company is legit.

This is the cheapest i have found so far.

 

[MR.C]

looking to buy 40es6200, came across this store through pricecheck

http://www.answholesalers.co.za/Buy-Now/LED-T.V/Samsung-UA40ES6200-40-LED-TV.html

i queried if anyone knows them on another thread just now and was wondering if anyone here knows or used them. As mentioned, testimonials seem excelent and prices are really good.

thanks in advance

I bought few things from them at 'negotiatable' prices way back when cellphones were not colour screens...

 

[iceman23]

The ES6200 with its brighter, semi-matt panel would be more ideal.

cant comment on the E550 but the ES6200 is quiet reflective of artificial light to be honest. I find myself moving my head to find a position where I dont see the reflection.

It's a lot different when the light is off though

 

[Roman4604]

cant comment on the E550 but the ES6200 is quiet reflective of artificial light to be honest. I find myself moving my head to find a position where I dont see the reflection.

How would you compare it to your plasma?

My D6000 has the full gloss panel (UltraClear as Samsung refer to it). The reflections are as well formed (focused) as the E550 but a tad less intense (bright).

 

[Roman4604]

Finally got all my HDMI extender kit, but thought before installation I'd accurately compare my 46D6000 LED (left) vs 51E550 plasma (right) side by side off a HDMI splitter.

In ideal dimly light conditions with both sets properly calibrated off the same high quality source (DSTV 1080i HD) their PQ is equally as great ...

When you add some additional ambient light the E550's colours start washing out a bit, though the difference is not as exaggerated as my iPhone4's camera makes out ...

But then again like all LEDs if you watch the D6000 at more than ~40 degrees off centre axis, the contrast also suffers.

Reflectivity is pretty similar with the E550's reflection brightness being more intense. Also the E550's panel is a light grey compared to the D6000's jet black leading to blacks becoming grey in brighter ambient light ...

PQ is not really a differentiator, even with SD upscaled on an HDPVR its near identical.

The real difference as mentioned before is the motion handling superiority of the D6000's 100Hz engine (& backlight scanning system). With Motion Plus set to Clear & LED Motion Plus On the D6000 smoothens out all low/irregular frame rate content. The E550 exhibits quite serious judder on the same scenes depending on how bad the content is, especially in sideways pans.

They are both great mid-range TV, but ultimately I'd still choose the LED's motion handling even though I'd have to sacrifice a few inches in screen size and pay ~ R1K more.

 

[Spizz]

cant comment on the E550 but the ES6200 is quiet reflective of artificial light to be honest. I find myself moving my head to find a position where I dont see the reflection.

It's a lot different when the light is off though

Don't you think that is a problem for tv's in general though? Reflections have been a scourge on any kind of tv since time John Logie Baird told his wife to draw the curtains...

 

[iceman23]

How would you compare it to your plasma?

My D6000 has the full gloss panel (UltraClear as Samsung refer to it). The reflections are as well formed (focused) as the E550 but a tad less intense (bright).

Well the plasma has quite a good anti reflective coat so dont really notice reflection too much. It is quite a bit better than the LED at that.

Re: your question about the motion handling. My plasma is 100 / 120 Hz with quite a nice picture engine so also no issues there. There is something called cinema smooth for the picture engine.

I kept on beating myself about paying so much 3 years ago when I look at the price of tvs now. But then I realise that is the way the market goes as well as that the series 6 now is very different to the series 6 then

 

[iceman23]

Don't you think that is a problem for tv's in general though? Reflections have been a scourge on any kind of tv since time John Logie Baird told his wife to draw the curtains...

for sure. the more expensive tvs have nicer A/R coats but doesn't eradicate the problem totally. I think matt LCD's are pretty good with reflections though. Someone else might be able to confirm. (I had a sony lcd a while back but it never faced direct sunlight and i hardly ever watched it so cant be sure )

 

[Roman4604]

Well the plasma has quite a good anti reflective coat so dont really notice reflection too much.

Ya, unfortunately as indicated in the photo above the newer 5 series plasmas don't have any AR coating and produce quite bright reflective glare.

Re: your question about the motion handling. My plasma is 100 / 120 Hz with quite a nice picture engine so also no issues there. There is something called cinema smooth for the picture engine.

Don't think Cinema Smooth has anything to do with frame interpolation (100Hz+ engine), rather its the way the TV handles 24p input. The E550 has it but it doesn't seem to work (does nothing). The settings that usually indicate a Samsung TV does frame interpolation are called Motion Plus, hence my question about these settings. Would have thought your B650 would have them somewhere?

From what I've read Samsung stopped putting 100Hz+ engines into their Plasmas after the 2010 C series, supposedly not even the D/E8000 do frame interpolation (hence why their lower pricing compared to the high-end LEDs which go up to the equivalent of 800Hz or CMR).

 

[iceman23]

Ya, unfortunately as indicated in the photo above the newer 5 series plasmas don't have any AR coating and produce quite bright reflective glare.

Don't think Cinema Smooth has anything to do with frame interpolation (100Hz+ engine), rather its the way the TV handles 24p input. The E550 has it but it doesn't seem to work (does nothing). The settings that usually indicate a Samsung TV does frame interpolation are called Motion Plus, hence my question about these settings. Would have thought your B650 would have them somewhere?

From what I've read Samsung stopped putting 100Hz+ engines into their Plasmas after the 2010 C series, supposedly not even the D/E8000 do frame interpolation (hence why their lower pricing compared to the high-end LEDs which go up to the equivalent of 800Hz or CMR).

I do remember seeing motion plus somewhere. will have a look. yep correct about cinema smooth. there was some judder when this wasn't on, on 24p input or something like that. (was a long time ago so cant remember too well).

Didnt know about the 100Hz thing. quite interesting...

 

[The_Mowgs]

What are your guys' thought on Philips and Panasonic Plasmas/LCD/"LED"? Reading international sites they always praise these 2 makes but I hardly see any advertising in SA for these brands. How are their prices looking at size and PQ?

 

[PostmanPot]

What are your guys' thought on Philips and Panasonic Plasmas/LCD/"LED"? Reading international sites they always praise these 2 makes but I hardly see any advertising in SA for these brands. How are their prices looking at size and PQ?

Prices are not as competitive as Samsung/LG AFAIK, at least with Panasonic, never seen Philips. Panasonic has one interesting model though which is unique - 42" FHD plasma, where the others are all HD Ready.

 

[Graumpot]

Ok I know I was debating between the E550 and ES6200, but this LG 47" 47LM5800 from Makro (http://bit.ly/OFb2T1) for R9k seems like a really good deal.

 

[MegaTesla]

Seems like there is a ps43e550 FHD (1080) out in Europe now!

http://bit.ly/Q4tWUq

If anyone sees one in SA please post it in this thread. My lounge is too small for anything larger and I would love a FHD samsung for the occasional plug-my-laptop-in.

 

[PostmanPot]

Edit: whoops! I see the E550 has been mentioned...

Seems like there is a ps43e550 FHD (1080) out in Europe now!

http://bit.ly/Q4tWUq

If anyone sees one in SA please post it in this thread. My lounge is too small for anything larger and I would love a FHD samsung for the occasional plug-my-laptop-in.

Very interesting, keeping an eye out...

 

[MegaTesla]

Not sure what the difference is between PS43E550 and PN43E550, but here is a short review of the PN43E550:

http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn43e550.html

As far as I can see it has been released this year, but isn't available anywhere online.

 

[PostmanPot]

Not sure what the difference is between PS43E550 and PN43E550, but here is a short review of the PN43E550:

http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn43e550.html

As far as I can see it has been released this year, but isn't available anywhere online.

PN = North America
PS = Southern Hemisphere
PE = Europe

etc. Along those lines. Sometimes there are minor spec differences (which makes it very confusing!).

Samsung 42/43" plasmas have always been epic, would love to upgrade my HD Ready PS42C450 to a FHD version.

Would take a bit of sacrificing SD quality which is still important to me, mind you.

 

[MegaTesla]

In other threads they say we will never see the 43" FHD Samsung because of not enough interest in that size FHD plasmas. Even the FHD 42" Panasonic TC-P42UT50 (available overseas) has been discontinued after only a few months