LED vs Plasma

Roman4604 said:
Yes we all know its the equivalent of, not real Hz, but that hasn't stopped Samsung from referring to Hz in some of their advertising e.g. see 2nd bullet point on this page ... http://www.samsung.com/africa_en/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UA55ES6200RXXA. Their logos even had it ...

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Well that is quite terrible, I hadn't seen those. Shame on Samsung I say.

You dont get 50Hz only TVs, they're just advertised as such since we're an ex-PAL region. My one year older LA40C530 does 60Hz no problem.
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[-]Curious- how does it do that? From which source?[/-]

EDIT: Ignore, figured it out after just thinking about it :)
 
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Roman4604 - Are you saying that MI doesn't necessarily cause soap opera? I'm pretty sure I am understanding it all.

Maverick Jester - I was referring to your agreeing with SauRoNZA when he said that 120hz "doesn't matter" and is something that "nobody should really worry themselves about". It seemed as though that was at odds with the fact that it has the potential to create the soap opera effect.

At least Samsung said "Native 100Hz Panel" at the end of that bullet. Still enough to confuse the hell out of consumers who do a bit of research, but clever advertising in the sense that I imagine most are merely buying for the sake of having a TV with a higher number. Not that they know what the number represents. But higher is better...

LED backlights, as far as those in this thread are concerned, can't be turned off. Can they be reduced? Is that just the same as adjusting the brightness?
 
Bl1zz4rd said:
Roman4604 - Are you saying that MI doesn't necessarily cause soap opera? I'm pretty sure I am understanding it all.
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No. He was expanding on the different methods used to combat judder- motion interpolation and strobed backlighting. Both can induce the soap opera effect.

Maverick Jester - I was referring to your agreeing with SauRoNZA when he said that 120hz "doesn't matter" and is something that "nobody should really worry themselves about". It seemed as though that was at odds with the fact that it has the potential to create the soap opera effect.
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It has the potential to create the soap opera effect ONLY if you use motion interpolation.

At least Samsung said "Native 100Hz Panel" at the end of that bullet. Still enough to confuse the hell out of consumers who do a bit of research, but clever advertising in the sense that I imagine most are merely buying for the sake of having a TV with a higher number. Not that they know what the number represents. But higher is better...
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That was SauRoNZA's point.

LED backlights, as far as those in this thread are concerned, can't be turned off. Can they be reduced? Is that just the same as adjusting the brightness?
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I'm not quite sure as to what you mean by this question? Why would you want to turn off the backlight? Are you referring to dimming, where individual LED's can be turned off to improve black levels and the contrast ratio?
 
Bl1zz4rd said:
Roman4604 - Are you saying that MI doesn't necessarily cause soap opera?
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Problem is you think of motion processing as a light switch. On my D6000 the Motion Plus (interpolation) feature allows one to configure Blur & Judder reduction each independently on a scale from 1-10. Also LED Motion Plus (LED strobing) can also be enabled/disabled independently.

Judder reduction is the one that causes the Soap Opera Effect, set it to 10 and everything looks cartoonish. Point is you can tune/disable each aspect to your preference.

Bl1zz4rd said:
LED backlights, as far as those in this thread are concerned, can't be turned off.
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Why would one want to do that ... with the LEDs completely off you wouldnt see anything (see above for LED Motion Plus).

Bl1zz4rd said:
Can they be reduced? Is that just the same as adjusting the brightness?
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Yes, Brightness is the setting that most directly affects my D6000's global dimming (TV dynamically adjusts LED brightness based on whats displaying). To maintain ideal blacks its best to leave Brightness at an ideal setting (for me 46/100) and rather change average picture brightness with the Backlight & Gamma settings.
 
Roman4604 - Thanks for the tips re. brightness. I'll keep them in mind when making adjustments.

The confusion was actually due to my thinking that the LED backlight was in addition to CCFL. I figured that'd make things rather bright and that it was possible to counter that by turning off the LED part. I've only ever used LCDs that released before LED PC monitors became popular.

Does CCFL remain at the same level of brightness throughout?

Can I assume that all the TVs within my budget will be edge-lit as opposed to full array?

I think of motion processing as a light switch because I've watched numerous Samsung-made videos and read numerous threads showing how to go into the picture settings menu and set CMP to "Off". That kinda does seem like a light switch. I did see the options you mentioned - they could be tweaked in "Custom", but there were also preset modes and the "Off" mode.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Not all Plasma's are made equally.

Even Samsung make some cheap and nasty units...which aren't awesome.


Which is why I often recommend to people to rather buy last year's high specification model for about the same money and not fall for the tricks and troubles they added to this year's model.

Don't think about SmartTV and all that rubbish when buying a TV, worry only about image quality.

SmartTV and all that other crap means nothing if the base display sucks.
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Good advise dude, so I take it you are a plasma fan as well :-) ?
 
oom said:
Good advise dude, so I take it you are a plasma fan as well :-) ?
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Plasma until something like OLED comes out. Best plasma = Panasonic.

(Even Sarah Brightman says so.... )
 
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oom said:
Good advise dude, so I take it you are a plasma fan as well :-) ?
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All depends on the kind of money you are willing to spend really.

If you can't spend the money on a decent Plasma then rather take a small LED of higher quality than an almost equivalent sized LED that looks like ass.

I'm a little butthurt myself for taking the E550 when I did instead of waiting for the higher specs to come down in price.

It is a superb TV in the correct lighting conditions (no reflections) but a pain in the ass if you just want to use it "normally".

Mine is of course calibrated perfectly, although I still need to enable the night and day mode in the service menu and see if I can get two profiles for normal use reflective heavy viewing and then perfect lighting viewing.

Regardless you can't take reflections away magically.
 
SauRoNZA - Magic would definitely help. Is it the fact that plasmas use glass panels that causes the severe reflections?

LEDs advertise "glossy" screens (which provide better colors), but I assume these are the same as glossy laptop screens, and not glass. Does that mean that the reflections on LEDs will be better than those on plasmas?
 
Bl1zz4rd said:
SauRoNZA - Magic would definitely help. Is it the fact that plasmas use glass panels that causes the severe reflections?

LEDs advertise "glossy" screens (which provide better colors), but I assume these are the same as glossy laptop screens, and not glass. Does that mean that the reflections on LEDs will be better than those on plasmas?
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The reflection on my retina Macbook Pro is the same as that of my plasma. It's my second MBP and both had this. My previous notebooks mostly had matte screens and no reflection.
 
Bl1zz4rd said:
LEDs advertise "glossy" screens (which provide better colors), but I assume these are the same as glossy laptop screens, and not glass. Does that mean that the reflections on LEDs will be better than those on plasmas?
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A bit better. The reflection brightness is less on my gloss LED vs glass Plasma TV ...

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Bl1zz4rd said:
that plasma's like a mirror.
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The bigger issue in bright environments is the panel isn't black but rather a dark grey (LED left, plasma right). With too much ambient light the picture can get quite washed out ...

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With low lighting things get a lot better ...

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Ohhhh, haha. I thought they were the other way 'round. Can't blame me though.

The colors of the LED look more vibrant in those low-light pics.

To be fair, those TVs are facing open windows. How bad do you think the reflections would be if the window was to the right side of the TV and had closed curtains?
 
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Bl1zz4rd said:
I thought they were the other way 'round.
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The important difference is the brightness of reflections. There is no sun in the top right of the reflected window, the plasma's glass just produces reflections that much brighter.
 
Just out of interest. I've just come from Canal Walk and saw that Game was selling the Samsung 43" plasma for R4799 (as advertised). They also have the Samsung ps51E490 for R8999 whereas Dionwired is selling the same Samsung 51" plasma for R5500. When I mentioned this to the salesman at Game, he was willing to beat the price as well.
 
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