Leon: ANC can't do what it wants, when it wants

[Angelo]

Well it is very "mean" and offensive.

You are dealing with seriously racist people here, don't expect politeness or fairness.

 

[dlk001]

So is AA and BEE.

Apologies if I have offended you.

Taken, no problem.

 

[kilo39]

You are dealing with seriously racist people here, don't expect politeness or fairness.

... and dread to say it (but it is ineffable logic)... the mind should lead the heart, or I suppose the heart leads the mind... whichever... somewhere in all that there has to be an intellectual decision (and the evidence shows there is none.)

 

[dlk001]

Does that mean the ANC has lost your vote?

ANC has contributed immensely to where I am now but I also think fate and hardwork played a hand.

I will not vote for them if they did not meet my expectations. That does not mean though I should judge my parents and family if they voted for them because their "bread and butter" are not the same as mine.

 

[jontyB]

You are dealing with seriously racist people here, don't expect politeness or fairness.

Who is being racist now again?

 

[duderoo]

You are dealing with seriously racist people here, don't expect politeness or fairness.

I am not racist, but AA just makes me think the way I do.

 

[duderoo]

ANC has contributed immensely to where I am now but I also think fate and hardwork played a hand.

Well personally I would hate to know I got a job because of AA, if I was previously disadvantaged, but then again I am now presently disadvantaged.

I will not vote for them if they did not meet my expectations. That does not mean though I should judge my parents and family if they voted for them because their "bread and butter" are not the same as mine.

Did not mention anything about ur parents.

 

[Leitmotif]

Please, I might be Black but I'm not "Blind". Blindness has no race.

Aargh, I'm a hypocrite *and* blind. Sigh, I apologise.

Still, you mixed my post and JontyB's...

 

[dlk001]

Did not mention anything about ur parents.

Sorry, I did not mean to put it across like that.

 

[noxibox]

You are dealing with seriously racist people here, don't expect politeness or fairness.

We're not that serious. It's more of a hobby.

 

[kingrob]

We attack each other, then the apologies follow.

At least it shows me that we're all passionate about this beautiful country and want to make it work....

Where there is a will, there is definitely a way.

 

[TELESPHORE]

Through all the millennia, power holding entities were at their weakest when they were at their strongest. Persians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, Brittians etc. All these Empires fell shortly after they were at their peak. In our own history the last century, the SAP’s (united Party) lost to the National Party just when the SAP’s thought they were on the strong end. The Nats lost power in 1994 just few years after a landslide historical election that gave them more power than any party ever had before. Now the ANC is at its peak, but slowly the cracks are spreading.
Power corrupts and that is now showing all over the show.
What we need is a true multiparty state where one group cannot dominate another. Only then would there be responsible governance. Don’t care what colour the individual is, just want pure responsible and intelligent governance.
When only 2 parties hold all the power also, the political scene is corrupt and evil. For example the USA. Changing from one ruling party to the other every 8 years is not a democracy. It is a revolving power seat and a farce.
There was so much goodwill and relative peace in this country before power corrupted all and turned all our lives into cheap, dispensable cannon fodder.

 

[kingmonty]

Through all the millennia, power holding entities were at their weakest when they were at their strongest. Persians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, Brittians etc. All these Empires fell shortly after they were at their peak. In our own history the last century, the SAP’s (united Party) lost to the National Party just when the SAP’s thought they were on the strong end. The Nats lost power in 1994 just few years after a landslide historical election that gave them more power than any party ever had before. Now the ANC is at its peak, but slowly the cracks are spreading.
Power corrupts and that is now showing all over the show.
What we need is a true multiparty state where one group cannot dominate another. Only then would there be responsible governance. Don’t care what colour the individual is, just want pure responsible and intelligent governance.
When only 2 parties hold all the power also, the political scene is corrupt and evil. For example the USA. Changing from one ruling party to the other every 8 years is not a democracy. It is a revolving power seat and a farce.
There was so much goodwill and relative peace in this country before power corrupted all and turned all our lives into cheap, dispensable cannon fodder.

Hear Hear.

 

[bekdik]

It's not blind loyalty, it's lack of options. If the ANC pi$$es of the SA majority who do they vote for?
Whining Tony?
Kiss A$$ Patricia?
The PAC Nutbar?
The IFP royal Militia?

The problem is lack of credible opposition. Only 22% of the population voted in the last election. We either need a new party, or better yet, the ANC needs to splits. If Zuma wants to be President, let him take his cronies and challenge the ANC in a real fight, not a butt kissing contest.

Surely if you don't have anyone to vote for you either don't vote or spoil your paper?

None of the above is always an option.

 

[supersunbird]

I feel I take a somewhat more neutral stand point when it comes to politics in SA Yes; all those that moan about the ANC are correct; BUT, Leon and the DA IMO are the kind of folk that always point out problems but never offer solutions. Why should you vote for someone who only bitches and moans all the time. I really believe all politicians are nothing more than windbags, the whole lot of them can get lost

*Edit I see doobiwan has basically made the same point

What do you mean "no solutions"?

The solutions are obvious in anycase: spend more money on police (equipment & training), deal very harshly with any corrupt or lazy police, build more jails and make the jails more rehabilitative for minor offenders and I can go on and on.

And I hate people who come:

What has the (DA or ACDP or IFP or UDM or whatever) done for us? The ANC does stuff.

Yeah, cause they are now the damn government with billions of Rands, how can the other parties do anything to show you how well they do if you dont give them a chance?

 

[vespax]

ANC has contributed immensely to where I am now but I also think fate and hardwork played a hand.

I will not vote for them if they did not meet my expectations. That does not mean though I should judge my parents and family if they voted for them because their "bread and butter" are not the same as mine.

Well stated. I can respect that point of view, if you care what I respect.

 

[bekdik]

It’s funny how the political spectrum differs so little from the telecoms spectrum in SA.

One big company/party with control over other companies/parties with various tiny token companies/parties creating the illusion of opposition/competition

But said political party controls said telecoms ....

 

[HosstheBoss]

What do you mean "no solutions"?

The solutions are obvious in anycase: spend more money on police (equipment & training), deal very harshly with any corrupt or lazy police, build more jails and make the jails more rehabilitative for minor offenders and I can go on and on.

And I hate people who come:

What has the (DA or ACDP or IFP or UDM or whatever) done for us? The ANC does stuff.

Yeah, cause they are now the damn government with billions of Rands, how can the other parties do anything to show you how well they do if you dont give them a chance?

Hope you’re not assuming I’m an ANC fan

I feel anyone can say “hire more police” “build more prisons” but exactly how? How do you intend on doing these things. How do you intend on keeping (exact details) the police free of corruption? What do you answer to police officers who want to know why they get stationed a1000kms away from their homes? What about salaries. What about investigation turn around times? What about the separations of SAPS and Scorpions? What about the lack of promotion for white officers? What about the power to enforce the law by force? What about the police losing 2000 weapons in a single year? For me they don’t answer these questions; the actually nitty gritty. Their complaints always seem to be knee jerk reactions to something a member of the press has dug up

And look at the Ziller (spelling?) debacle in Cape Town. Instead of rising above the pathetic attempts of the ANC to undermine her rule as Mayor and carrying on with her job, she has gone to the trenches. Why can’t she have one of her deputies go run around and organize marches? The Mayor of the second biggest city in SA should be more dignified than that, and not act like those ANC chaps who are nothing more than poor losers.

With the last elections I voted DA but only as an opposition to the ANC, not cause I wanted to vote for the DA. Our local DA ward candidate couldn't answer those questions, all he was saying was, "don't vote ANC". I mean wtf

The only reason I’m taking a dig at the DA is because they are supposed to be the opposition, they are supposed to be our alternative to this current corrupt joke of a government.

 

[HosstheBoss]

But said political party controls said telecoms ....

Exactly I know, K*K isn't it

 

[nivek]

It's not blind loyalty, it's lack of options. If the ANC pi$$es of the SA majority who do they vote for?
Whining Tony?
Kiss A$$ Patricia?
The PAC Nutbar?
The IFP royal Militia?

The problem is lack of credible opposition. Only 22% of the population voted in the last election. We either need a new party, or better yet, the ANC needs to splits. If Zuma wants to be President, let him take his cronies and challenge the ANC in a real fight, not a butt kissing contest.

Personally I'd go for whining Tony.., and im surprised more people here dont.. Whining is exactly what we on myadsl do best When Tony whines theres usually good reason for it, exposing some f*** up by the current leadership, he doesnt do it for fun or publicity.. and somehow I think the DA would be a little less corrupt and more competent than the ANC.. AFAIK they doing a great job in Cape Town, and if anyone was capable of fixing the current mess our country is in due to bad leadership, it would be the DA..

But it'll never happen