Load Shedding - the all in one thread

Will the charge from these batteries really last 5 hours?

Depends on the amount of power you draw.

If you pull 3000W, you'll need minumum 250A (will be more due to losses in the system etc.) So, even if you have a 250Ah battery (and that is a HUGE thing), that will only give you 1hr's worth of power (again, ideally)

And then, to recharge that battery will also take a lot of time, a 20Amp charger will take over 12hrs.

If you draw less power, say just TV, a few (energy saver) lights etc, the equation changes.
 
..or better still..."rent" the guys who left SA and KNEW their jobs...

I thought they were all working in London as waiters. :confused:


Depends on the amount of power you draw.

If you pull 3000W, you'll need minumum 250A (will be more due to losses in the system etc.) So, even if you have a 250Ah battery (and that is a HUGE thing), that will only give you 1hr's worth of power (again, ideally)

And then, to recharge that battery will also take a lot of time, a 20Amp charger will take over 12hrs.

If you draw less power, say just TV, a few (energy saver) lights etc, the equation changes.

This is interesting, going to do some research. Appears to be cheaper than relying off a petrol powered generator. Especially if all I want to do is run a PC.

I assume another issue would be to avoid discharging the battery over a certain percentage to maintain a good lifespan.
 
Dark weekend ahead?

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2254757,00.html


Johannesburg - Power utility Eskom said that load shedding had continued from Friday morning until after evening peak and has warned that the prognosis showed a high possibility of load shedding over the weekend.

According to the national supplier, the electricity system was "extremely tight" and the pattern of load shedding is likely to remain until Thursday.

The utility said it was working with municipalities and regional disaster management committees in a bid to coordinate load-shedding schedules and manning of traffic lights during load shedding.

"We hope this will assist in minimising the inconvenience caused on the roads and improve our forewarning to electricity consumers.

"We are also taking into account suggestions from consumers in relation to our communication with consumers. Where municipalities don't have capacity to do their own load-shedding, they request Eskom to do the switching," Eskom said.

Eskom also said that the planned shut down of Koeberg's Unit 2 on Monday has been factored into the load shedding schedule, and is not expected to worsen the situation. - I-Net Bridge and News24
 
Piepalook: The Million Watt question - where do we still FIND 3000W inverters in this country ?!?!
 
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Hi,
According to the media things will return to normal in 2017.
May be i am just negative, but things cannot return to normal.
The losses suffered in bussiness today can and will never be recouped.
The lights went out in Massetusetts in the U.S. for 1 night.
9 months later all the maternity wards all over the U.S. was filled up.
Can you imagine what is happening here? iT's Mind boggling!
And the baby boomers will want electricity too! 20 or 30 years from now.....
There is no apprentices being trained by Escom or anybody else.Who will maintain the equipment?

Years ago there was a song that went:"a man with a hammer... built it"
There is no more a man with a hammer.
It's just a pity that none of us realised that we are heading for disaster.

Koeberg is going off line next week,to replace the fuel,it's not expected to start up for 2 months(if all goes well)

Winter is around the corner....
To make petrol you need electricity....
To make steel you need electricity.....
To build cars you need electricity....
To slaughter animals they need electricity...
You need electricity to raise chickens.....
for milking cows also.....
To mine you need electricity
To keep foodstuffs cold you need electricity...
.
To put it plainly... we are in serious trouble.

Every single item we buy will escalate in price.
And there will be no improvement.....in fact it will get worse....
If you start building powerstations now they will only come online in 10 years time.
And Escom demolished two powerstations in the last 10 years.....
Kragbron and Gemsbok.
Now that was strategic planning for you!
 
Christmas 2005-no Petrol
Christmas 2006- no Coca-cola
Christmas 2007-no electricity
Christmas 2008-no food?......

Eventually it gets to much to bear.
Hell for a second there I thought you said eventually there will be no beer...
 
Piepalook: The Million Watt question - where do we still FIND 3000W inverters in this country ?!?!
Got mine from a company in Vanderbijlpark ,They specialise in solar heaters for household use.
You should also be able to get them at agricultural co-ops or at any decent 4x4 offroad stores like Megaworld or Safari 4x4.If they havent got, they can order it for you.
I imagine they will be getting scarce now after these posts,so dont let the grass grow under your feet.
good luck!
 
Hell for a second there I thought you said eventually there will be no beer...
Do you have any idea how much beer SAB had to throw away during the past week?
Just emptied the tanks into the sewage?
Pretty soon no more beer.....!
 
nauseous_monkey, your figures are wrong.

nauseous_monkey said:
1.) Sanlam and other banking institutions are loosing R 5 billion Rand per day on load-shedding.
Standard bank, the biggest of the banks, has a yearly income of about 80 billion. 63 billion of which are life assurance and interest income and is therefore not affect directly by power cuts. That leaves 17 billion income per year or 46 million per day that could be affected (assuming that the power cuts completely kills the income streams, with is unlikely). There are maybe 10 major financial/banking operation in SA so it could be ~460 million per day for financial banking institutions, which is still unrealistically high, not 5000 million per day.
link

nauseous_monkey said:
4.) Electricity prices will rise by a minimum of 14 % in the next two months.
Eskom price increases are regulated. They recently got approval for a ~17% increase for an entire year. Not 14% in two months. Emergency cash injections will come from the Trevour not via insta-price hikes.

nauseous_monkey said:
365 days per year X 5 yrs X 10 Billion (minimum) =
18250 Billion in losses MINIMUM for Business in JHB city.
The GDP in 2006 was about 576b$ x 7= R4032 x 5 = R20160 billion for 5 years. When combining that with what you said we can conclude that:
1) There never was any economic activity outside of JHB and
2) Power cuts will cause everyone in SA to stop working/spending/producing completely.

I suspect that your inside source is the HR department because those billions your quoting are totally arbitrary.:p
 
Hi,
According to the media things will return to normal in 2017.
May be i am just negative, but things cannot return to normal.
The losses suffered in bussiness today can and will never be recouped.
The lights went out in Massetusetts in the U.S. for 1 night.
9 months later all the maternity wards all over the U.S. was filled up.
Can you imagine what is happening here? iT's Mind boggling!
And the baby boomers will want electricity too! 20 or 30 years from now.....
There is no apprentices being trained by Escom or anybody else.Who will maintain the equipment?

Years ago there was a song that went:"a man with a hammer... built it"
There is no more a man with a hammer.
It's just a pity that none of us realised that we are heading for disaster.

Koeberg is going off line next week,to replace the fuel,it's not expected to start up for 2 months(if all goes well)

Winter is around the corner....
To make petrol you need electricity....
To make steel you need electricity.....
To build cars you need electricity....
To slaughter animals they need electricity...
You need electricity to raise chickens.....
for milking cows also.....
To mine you need electricity
To keep foodstuffs cold you need electricity...
.
To put it plainly... we are in serious trouble.

Every single item we buy will escalate in price.
And there will be no improvement.....in fact it will get worse....
If you start building powerstations now they will only come online in 10 years time.
And Escom demolished two powerstations in the last 10 years.....
Kragbron and Gemsbok.
Now that was strategic planning for you!



I can follow your reasoning completely. A blow such as this is difficult to recover without huge amouts of money being pumped into the country as support and I don't see anyone offering to help probably because we haven't asked and don't want to make a big fuss about it due to the FIFA world cup.

The Star did an interview with Jacob Maroga, Eskom's chief executive and said himself it will be 2016 before things normalize. I wrote an article on it here: http://demosupport.blogspot.com/
 
Power outages to get worse

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_News&set_id=1&click_id=79&art_id=vn20080119083339428C127131

By Thabiso Thakali and Christina Gallagher

South Africans have been warned to prepare for power cuts, gridlock and general disruption. "It's going to get worse before it gets better," admitted Eskom's chief executive Jacob Maroga in a frank interview with the Saturday Star on Friday.

His admission comes after Eskom warned this week that the rolling blackouts would continue throughout next week. Earlier it had warned South Africa would suffer power shortages for between five to eight years while supply is extended.

This week Eskom "loadshedded" 3 000mW of power - the highest ever in the country's history. Consumers experienced blackouts several times a day, as Eskom struggled to deal with what it termed a "stage 2" emergency on a scale of four.

Stage 4 represents a cataclysmic collapse of the national power grid.

And, while South Africans fume, an economist estimates the blackouts are costing local industry up to R2-billion a day.

Fanie Joubert, an economist at the Efficient Group, said he based this on an average three hour power cut. He added that although this figure was a "rough estimate", he believed it was realistic based on this year's predicted GDP growth.

Eskom has embarked on a programme to increase the country's supply capacity including commissioning several new coal fired and nuclear power stations and recommissioning mothballed power stations.

It also plans to buy excess power capacity from companies producing their own. It also announced a subsidy scheme to help homeowners install solar heat.

'In this short period we need to look at how we can reduce the demand'
The power crisis has severely dented South Africa's image as an investment destination, putting billions of rands in foreign investment in jeopardy.

Frost & Sullivan, an international growth consulting firm, warned this week the power crisis could cost South Africa its ranking in the Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) Confidence Index's Top 20. South Africa made its debut on the index, which lists the world's most attractive investment destinations, last month. It is the only African country on the index.

Mike Schussler, an economist with T-SEC, also predicted that the current power crisis would negatively affect economic growth, lead to job losses and have a dire impact on the inflation rate.

Maroga said Eskom could not predict the frequency of the power cuts, but warned of a "high probability" of further load shedding years into the future if demand exceeded Eskom's ability to supply.

Urging all South Africans to cut back on their electricity usage, Maroga said: "We are in a very tight demand and supply situation.

"We know how long it will take us to build new power stations, but in this short period we need to look at how we can reduce the demand.

"Two things that could relieve the situation are bringing back the power stations that are currently on unplanned maintenance and to reduce consumption, which would lead to an increase in the reserve margin," said Maroga.

The current reserve margin is estimated to be less than 10 percent.

Meanwhile, Public Protector Lawrence Mushwana wrote to Maroga this week wanting to know what steps Eskom had taken to prevent the current situation and how long it would last.

He also asked if hospitals and police stations would be protected from blackouts.

A confidential document compiled by a senior municipal official in Port Elizabeth has revealed that the National Integrated Resource Plan compiled by the National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa) up until 2022, had inadequately planned for future energy needs.

Government's plans, incorporating the present coal-fired power stations, did not account for the fact that these stations' output would, over time, decrease due to use, according to Nelson Mandela Bay power supply director George Ferreira.

The government plan said new the coal-fired stations, which would take at least seven years to build, would have to rely on costly clean coal technology, which will be more expensive than either gas or nuclear power stations.

It was also predicted that because of bad planning, including delayed environmental impact assessment studies, the energy crisis would not "normalise" until 2016.

Marius Louw, of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry South Africa said the power crisis was a "sad state of affairs", adding that the daily three hour power cuts were leading to two days of business lost each week.

"The only way to make up for this is for businesses to lay off their employees and consumers are going to have to pay for the increases in business costs," he said.
 
what do you guys say pure sine wave inverters, safer for pcs ect, or a modified sine wave, the pure sine wave inverter can cost a hell of a lot more than a modified sine wave,

herd a modified sine wave may cause lines across a tv.
 
what do you guys say pure sine wave inverters, safer for pcs ect, or a modified sine wave, the pure sine wave inverter can cost a hell of a lot more than a modified sine wave,

herd a modified sine wave may cause lines across a tv.

No idea -I just run things through the UPS off a generator - to my small brain, that seems the best. :D
 
I fear this is approaching.

Well, six trains were burnt because the power outage stopped them working.
If that ain't hell-breaking-loose, I must have missed the memo.


EDIT: One has to wonder what they people thought would happen when the power came back on? Fairy Godmother waves new trains into existence?
 
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