Local Loop Unbundling moving ahead

What is this about?

Is there a committee that investigates on how "the last mile copper pair access network" can be accessed by other ISP's?

What is the "last mile copper pair access network"?
 
McGuywer said:
What is this about?

Is there a committee that investigates on how "the last mile copper pair access network" can be accessed by other ISP's?

What is the "last mile copper pair access network"?
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Yes to your question and its the piece of wire up to your house/pole from the exchange. I think its best if you go get a snack and prepare to do some reading. Type in Local Loop Unbundling into the search box on top. There's hours of good reading here on the topic. Have fun:)
 
McGuywer said:
What is this about?

What is the "last mile copper pair access network"?
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I assume you are trying to be funny?
But incase you not:

It's that bastard piece of ancient phone cable (that your grandfathers father paid for in 1800 footsack) that telscum screws you for every month. And then charges you again for the same thing if you plug a different device into the end of it like a dsl router, sh*t probably screw you even more for a fax machine! (but i don't have one so not sure) :mad:
 
ICASA said it is confident that the successful implementation of the LLU will be delivered within suitable timeframes.
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Ya right, That doesn't mean jack to anyone!
Hands up who knows what their "suitable timeframes" are!
:eek:
 
These sub-committees are intended to consider the following matters:

Policy, Legal and Regulatory
Technical and Engineering processes
Financial and Costing models
Economic and Competition
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If these issues now have to be studied, then what the (add your favorate word) was the original committee doing since 2006?

The whole of Europe has unbundled already, pick up the phone and ask how they did it. Oh thats right, they can't afford to use the phone in SA :(
 
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With all the meetings and committees it sounds like this process is going to create 1000 new jobs and be great for the economy. In the meantime I expect wireless to continue to grow like it is...
 
TimTDP said:
Meetings to discuss more meetings!
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Ja, the whole article sounded like a bunch of flowery guavamint doublespeak... "excuse us while we look busy doing something important... but don't expect any progress any time soon... this is far too detailed for the common man to worry about".
 
It appears that only the journalist remembers the 2011 deadline. ICASA is already softening up the 2011 deadline with "reasonable timeframes". Read between the lines - we will be lucky if we start the actual unbundling by 2011 and have it completed by 2020.
 
Wait telkom are going to object to the llu methods in 2011 so add 5 years
 
And it will be irrelevant anyway

swim said:
Wait telkom are going to object to the llu methods in 2011 so add 5 years
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Given the strides being made in "non wired" Internet provisioning, LLU will be irrelevant

"non Wired" = Wimax, HSDPA, Wireless and Eventually Fibre

My company got a quote today for Neotel Metronet connectivity, and I nearly fell of my chair when i saw the price comapred to DigiNet.

Telkom, you are becomming irrelavent
 
Classical LLU (i.e. where competitor deploys own DSLAMs in the exchange) is way to capital intensive (think backhauls) and tricky (co-location haggling) to be done on a national scale for the foseeable future. One has to wonder who has the cash and appetite to get involved in this where pricing/margins are falling as time goes on.

We already have a form of access unbundling (IPConnect as used by IS etc.) that it technically sufficient for our market size. In fact very popular in other markets too e.g. over 50% of unbundled lines in UK are done this way (more generically known as IP Bitstream). Only problem is (a) pricing set by incumbent (i.e. unregulated) (b) no cheap way to transit traffic overseas.

SEACOM & others will solve (b), so the gov/regulator must stop dicking about with their granduous commitees/plans and break the problem up into bite size chucks starting with IP Bitstream. Only way in my mind anything can be done relatively quickly.
 
in other words nothing is going to happen anytime soon for llu
 
Toby said:
My company got a quote today for Neotel Metronet connectivity, and I nearly fell of my chair when i saw the price comapred to DigiNet.

Telkom, you are becomming irrelavent
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Now that is the most interesting comment in this thread :D
 
TimTDP said:
Meetings to discuss more meetings!
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It's nice to have these meetings. It makes them feel rather important. Plus on top of that they get free coffee, tea, cool drinks, cookies, and of course lunch. They can't finish all these in one sitting, so they call another meeting. First we will discuss politics, and then who's going to be the next ceo of telkom, and then the president of anc, and then... alas we ran out of time. Next time we are going to recap and probably there will be news about neotel. Don't forget to get skimmed milk, fresh one just doesn't do it for me...

See that's how you buy time. This can go on for 7 years:D
 
Here is a quick and efficient way. Get the UK regulators to come here (pay them R100 million each for a months work) and unbundle the local loop for us.

This should be done within a month and we'd have saved a ton of money on skipping the traditional African committees.

Funny how quick and draconian government can be in setting up monopolies and how beaurocratic and slow they can be in taking them down...
 
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