Lumia 920 Thread

Frikkenator said:
I heard about this and tested with WhatsApp, Skype and Gmail and all of them seemed to work brilliantly and in real-time, so I'm not too sure if those reports are true. With gmail for instance I received the push notification arrived before it even showed up on my pc, which is not bad.
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Push notifications are subscribed to fine, but take for example IRC clients the minute you lose foreground state of the application it disconnects. You can use background agents to, but periodic tasks are only allowed to execute every 15-30mins and only allowed to execute for 25seconds, if they exceed that the scheduler automatically kills them. I like how its anal about resources but i just wish there was a way to disable this or get around it.
 
The WiFi has always disabled after a few seconds in standby. No idea why it's taken them this long to fix this, or atleast make it a setting if there is large battery drain.

The Surface does this beautifully. Mine has been in "sleep" since last night and still makes noises when I get emails and Skype messages.

BTW the whole reason in not having constantly running apps is because of battery drain and performance. That's what push and periodic is for. Periodic only goes as low as 30 mins because anything more frequent than that you should be using push (like Whatsapp etc).

Push notifications have hardly any battery drain, because it keeps a single channel open to Microsofts push server which everything goes through.
 
I hear that Data Sense was suppose to be available on WP8 devices but I cant find this app at all. Is this carrier enabled?

Does anyone have a marketplace link for it. I see that Nokia Counter is still not been upgraded for WP8 yet. I really need some similar application like this.
 
roguemat said:
The WiFi has always disabled after a few seconds in standby. No idea why it's taken them this long to fix this, or atleast make it a setting if there is large battery drain.

The Surface does this beautifully. Mine has been in "sleep" since last night and still makes noises when I get emails and Skype messages.

BTW the whole reason in not having constantly running apps is because of battery drain and performance. That's what push and periodic is for. Periodic only goes as low as 30 mins because anything more frequent than that you should be using push (like Whatsapp etc).

Push notifications have hardly any battery drain, because it keeps a single channel open to Microsofts push server which everything goes through.
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Some protocols do not support push notification i.e. IRC, its pretty retarded that MS prevent consumers the choice of running apps constantly in the background.
 
semaphore said:
Some protocols do not support push notification i.e. IRC, its pretty retarded that MS prevent consumers the choice of running apps constantly in the background.
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Yea. I'm not sure though if this is the platform or if it's the app, cause if I go to settings I can specify which applications I would like to allow to run in the background and in standby. Some of the more obvious ones are the music player and internet explorer, but then whatsapp is also there and some other random ones. Maybe the application developers just need to allow for this? This being my first WP I also don't know if it was the same in 7, and maybe some apps just haven't been updated yet, also I might be completely wrong about this ;)
 
Frikkenator said:
Yea. I'm not sure though if this is the platform or if it's the app, cause if I go to settings I can specify which applications I would like to allow to run in the background and in standby. Some of the more obvious ones are the music player and internet explorer, but then whatsapp is also there and some other random ones. Maybe the application developers just need to allow for this? This being my first WP I also don't know if it was the same in 7, and maybe some apps just haven't been updated yet, also I might be completely wrong about this ;)
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Allowing the application in the background tasks does not allow the application to be a constant task, it allows it to be periodic or resourceintensive based on conditions.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/hh202942(v=vs.105).aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...s.105).aspx#BKMK_ConstraintsforPeriodicAgents
 
semaphore said:
Allowing the application in the background tasks does not allow the application to be a constant task, it allows it to be periodic or resourceintensive based on conditions.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/hh202942(v=vs.105).aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...s.105).aspx#BKMK_ConstraintsforPeriodicAgents
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Aaah... interesting. I like the constraints they applied, but like you said they need to give you the choice as well. So question, how do the music players and/or live streaming work?

I know in Windows 8 you've got the same constraints, but for browsers and music players you can have MS allow for it to run in the background, this is however not something you can do yourself, you need to have them do it, maybe this is the same?
 
i have the lumia 800. i have a kindle app on, it is very good. i reinstall the OSbecause the 800 didn`t have a hotspot, and that is working fine. camera takes good quality pics. the skype version that i have on at the moment is not making video calls or can transfer any pic, that why i use my wahtsapp for. the whatsapp again can`t add contacts i need to be invited. no serious issues like other phones. i recently install tapatalk haven`t used it much. i`m not a nokia fan but i love this phone can`t wait to get my hands on a the 920.
 
Frikkenator said:
Aaah... interesting. I like the constraints they applied, but like you said they need to give you the choice as well. So question, how do the music players and/or live streaming work?

I know in Windows 8 you've got the same constraints, but for browsers and music players you can have MS allow for it to run in the background, this is however not something you can do yourself, you need to have them do it, maybe this is the same?
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Not sure im not to familiar with the internals of windows phone yet, so perhaps rogue can shed some light on this.
 
Got a call from MTN Direct as I am due for an upgrade.

Told them 920 or iPhone 5.

iPhone 5 they don't have an ETA

So for Lumia 920 R499 per month on Anytime350 + 50 smses + 150mb data bundle

But no stock reflecting on their inventory. Due on Thursday though, so..... cyan or white for me thanks....
 
roguemat said:
In WP you can have code run constantly in the background to stream audio etc by creating a Background Audio Agent: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/wpukcoe/archive/2012/02/09/background-audio-in-windows-phone-7-5-part-1.aspx
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.... Not sure if you're trying to be funny. But im not interested in streaming audio... And im pretty sure i read somewhere that if MS see people violating the use of the streaming audio agent for other than streaming audio applications there will be consequences.
 
semaphore said:
.... Not sure if you're trying to be funny. But im not interested in streaming audio... And im pretty sure i read somewhere that if MS see people violating the use of the streaming audio agent for other than streaming audio applications there will be consequences.
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Erm, no, I was answering genuinely.

"I know in Windows 8 you've got the same constraints, but for browsers and music players you can have MS allow for it to run in the background, this is however not something you can do yourself, you need to have them do it, maybe this is the same?"

I was addressing that in a post above.

There is no way that I know of to do a similar thing for things like IRC, which is why I didn't mention it.
 
roguemat said:
Erm, no, I was answering genuinely.

"I know in Windows 8 you've got the same constraints, but for browsers and music players you can have MS allow for it to run in the background, this is however not something you can do yourself, you need to have them do it, maybe this is the same?"

I was addressing that in a post above.

There is no way that I know of to do a similar thing for things like IRC, which is why I didn't mention it.
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Cool, yeah well im sure there must be an undocumented method of doing it. If not then its a big fail on the "multi" tasking of windows phone then.
 
semaphore said:
Cool, yeah well im sure there must be an undocumented method of doing it. If not then its a big fail on the "multi" tasking of windows phone then.
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You can make periodic tasks run every ~15 seconds by calling a debug method. That will fail certification though.
So have a check in your code for the date, and make sure it's after it would have gone through certification then run that, else run the normal one that will set the next update for 30 mins.
 
roguemat said:
You can make periodic tasks run every ~15 seconds by calling a debug method. That will fail certification though.
So have a check in your code for the date, and make sure it's after it would have gone through certification then run that, else run the normal one that will set the next update for 30 mins.
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LOL yeah im sure MS would love that haha. 15 seconds is enough to cause socket connection drops.
 
semaphore said:
LOL yeah im sure MS would love that haha. 15 seconds is enough to cause socket connection drops.
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Yeah, it's only a work around that would help a few apps. Even if it was less than 15 seconds it still kills the process and starts a new one, which still wouldn't help.

I guess there would be only one solution for IRC. Host a middleman server that connects on your behalf and send push notifications when needed.
 
roguemat said:
Yeah, it's only a work around that would help a few apps. Even if it was less than 15 seconds it still kills the process and starts a new one, which still wouldn't help.

I guess there would be only one solution for IRC. Host a middleman server that connects on your behalf and send push notifications when needed.
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Yeah i've already got something like that in place, but its not entirely ideal considering that if a lot of people start using my application im going to have a server hosting a few thousand socket connections -_-
 
semaphore said:
Yeah i've already got something like that in place, but its not entirely ideal considering that if a lot of people start using my application im going to have a server hosting a few thousand socket connections -_-
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