Mac and PC, which one is better?

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Most home PC users are young children, older people with no interest in games or play something like SIMS which is available on the Mac. Many people play MMO's and these are often available on the Mac. Many hardcore FPS games like DOOM, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Unreal, Quake series are available on the Mac. In the end it is only a small subsection of games which are PC exclusives and many of those can be found on the console and all can be played under Bootcamp on the Mac. Let's also not forget that most PCs and laptop PCs bought by most people are with below par 3D hardware - Intel GMA graphics.

To me the games argument is lame and only applies to a small group of hardcore PC game enthusiasts who have a dedicated games only machine anyway and upgrade their machines' GPUs every year and for two new release cards that can cost R12,000-14,000 per year to have the latest and greatest.

Very clearly the learning icons statementis true. Dude, have you ever worked at a pc shop? Have you seen the amount of full grown adult men buying pc hardware? You seriously need to do some research on your GPU pricing or find a better source. People are more than willing to fork out R 1000 (yes thats one thousand rand), for a GPU and even then that card can run the latest games fairly decently. If you go for a R 12 000 card you definitely wont be running games only on it. (Only cards that come to that price bracket are the Quadro cards)

What i've seen in this forum, it's pointless argueing and debating, one can always up one over the other.

I love my desktop pc (i would love a lappie for my hobbie) but my desktop is failry well specced and decently priced. I never want a mac desktop, but i would take a mac lappie any day.
 

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Very clearly the learning icons statementis true. Dude, have you ever worked at a pc shop? Have you seen the amount of full grown adult men buying pc hardware? You seriously need to do some research on your GPU pricing or find a better source. People are more than willing to fork out R 1000 (yes thats one thousand rand), for a GPU and even then that card can run the latest games fairly decently. If you go for a R 12 000 card you definitely wont be running games only on it. (Only cards that come to that price bracket are the Quadro cards)

I haven't worked in a PC shop but I've been using PCs. The R12K price was for 2 cards in CrossFire or SLI at a cost of R6000 each for brand new releases - extreme versions of 3D GPUs. Many hardcore PC gamers will
spend that sort of cash on the latest and greatest.

http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=quadro&sort=3a&page=2
The high end Quadros go up to R80,000.

Here's one of the latest R6K cards:
http://www.prophecy.co.za/mushkin-nvidia-gtx295-1792mb-year-warranty-p-54990.html

What i've seen in this forum, it's pointless argueing and debating, one can always up one over the other.

You're right. My point is that Macs are not useless for gaming, it all depends on what you enjoy. If you enjoy Console exclusives forget about PC being good for games. If you enjoy SIMS you can get that on the Mac too. If you enjoy latest high end FPS PC games you get a PC because its cheaper and has a larger variety of hardware but if you're really a hardcore gamer you will be buying R6000 GPUs every year anyway so it's not for people on a budget either. There are also 3 consoles each with their own exclusives. And Mac can run Windows under bootcamp and all Macs now come with dedicated 3D GPUs unlike all PCs which usually come with Intel GMA graphics. And you can't upgrade the GPU on a laptop either, so a Macbook at R12K will be better for games than a PC laptop at R12k with an Intel GMA. Bootcamp + Win still runs any game a PC came - DirectX11 or not.

I love my desktop pc (i would love a lappie for my hobbie) but my desktop is failry well specced and decently priced. I never want a mac desktop, but i would take a mac lappie any day.

Good for you :).

Oh and thanks for the insult about the icons. But pray tell me why I should upgrade my WinXP machines to 7, what benefits will I get other than:

"Slurp, slurp slurp. Is that right, did I do it correctly, Mr Ballmer?" ;)
 
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I dont get the reference? :confused:

In another thread I said that I don't like the Icons only taskbar of 7 so obviously I am stupid according to some. I don't mind that, many people on MyBB are concrete thinkers anyway - they just latch onto one idea and don't think of anything else a person speaks of. :)
 

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Mac Book Pro - need a new HDD or memory - easy to swap out.

Same goes for a macbook, I got a 2GB corsair ram stick and it was upgradedin 5 min, just need to remove 3 screws, harddrive requires you take off the back cover but not hard.

To be fair a few laptops are just as easy though.
 

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In another thread I said that I don't like the Icons only taskbar of 7 so obviously I am stupid according to some. I don't mind that, many people on MyBB are concrete thinkers anyway - they just latch onto one idea and don't think of anything else a person speaks of. :)

Still dont get it but oh well. I've got a few machines running W7 now and its not bad. Dont know what I'm going to do when the free license runs out next year. I've got a feeling upgrading will be way more expensive than my family pack Snow Leopard upgrade was.
 

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I dont get the reference? :confused:

In another thread he gave a reason for not liking Windows cause he has difficulty to "learn new icons". We kinda fell off our chairs at that peterchism.
 

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I'm not a fan of any particular product, but rather believe that the best product should be used for the task at hand.

Business: Macs look really cool but you do pay extra for them. In terms of functionality I am sure that you could do business work on both a Mac or PC and your software preference would be the determining factor.

For business you would require something that is reliable; most studies show that most Tier 1 brands have a similar failure rate across the range. So HP/Dell/Mac should all have similar reliability, across the ranges; and higher when compared to tier2/3 vendors (clones etc).

Windows PCs require slightly more maintenance in terms of patches and Antivirus, but in two years I have never had a virus, and use free AV, so it need not be a determining factor.

For games: Again, its preference. Look at the list of games available for both platforms and see for yourself.

Macs are more expensive, and in my opinion do not offer significant real benefits to justify the extra price; however if price were not an issue, then I would buy a Mac....
 

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Hey Pete,

Right now I am using both laptops (took a pic just for you)
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Pic was taken with a cruddy cellphone cam. Im using the Mac to play music :D
 

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Hey Pete,

Right now I am using both laptops (took a pic just for you)
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Pic was taken with a cruddy cellphone cam. Im using the Mac to play music :D

sis man, clean your mac :sick: :D My crackbook also has that chip but I fixed with an apple sticker, my macbook is late 2007 but still clean and spotless. :eek:
 

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sis man, clean your mac :sick: :D My crackbook also has that chip but I fixed with an apple sticker, my macbook is late 2007 but still clean and spotless. :eek:

Thats some kinda sponge pad thing that the previous owner put on there... Its got a Marware logo on it.. when I want to clean it, I remove the pad. I think it some kinda wrist protector thingy... hence the reason its so dirty, you cant really clean it, only wipe it down, or remove it.
 
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Thats some kinda sponge pad thing that the previous owner put on there... Its got a Marware logo on it.. when I want to clean it, I remove the pad.

ah ok, the camera pic is not that detailed for me to spot that.
 

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Still dont get it but oh well. I've got a few machines running W7 now and its not bad. Dont know what I'm going to do when the free license runs out next year. I've got a feeling upgrading will be way more expensive than my family pack Snow Leopard upgrade was.

Get someone in the States to buy you the Win 7 Family Upgrade Pack - if there is such a thing - there supposedly is. Look there's no reason for a Win 7 user to go back to XP unless it really sucks for you as much as Vista or your h/w is not the best. However, for XP users who don't game DirectX10 and 11 games and have their PCs locked down for security, there is no incentive to upgrade and reinstall all apps. There simply is no way to upgrade an XP install to 7 without reinstalling which is a pain because you need to re-activate all your software, find all those serial numbers, reconfigure all the settings etc. This excludes the cost of Windows 7, and if you want the XP VM you need to buy Ultimate. The VM also doesn't work on some Intel C2D CPUs - where certain registers were disabled.

Today at the Canal Walk iStore I saw that they now have iMacs for as little as R12K. That's pretty cheap because it includes a high quality screen.
 

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Still dont get it but oh well. I've got a few machines running W7 now and its not bad. Dont know what I'm going to do when the free license runs out next year. I've got a feeling upgrading will be way more expensive than my family pack Snow Leopard upgrade was.

In a previous thread peter said he could not grasp how to pin icon's on the taskbar.

He said that was the main reason he would not buy windows 7 :D.
 

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I'm not a fan of any particular product, but rather believe that the best product should be used for the task at hand.

I'm with you there. When I went shopping for a 30 inch monitor to go with my Mac Pro I decided to go with the Dell model, it was a bit cheaper than the Apple Cinema Display but it had better rated picture and was HDCP certified. I didn't mind that it wasn't silver.

Business: Macs look really cool but you do pay extra for them. In terms of functionality I am sure that you could do business work on both a Mac or PC and your software preference would be the determining factor.

Why do people always mention the appearance when speaking about Macs?

For business you would require something that is reliable; most studies show that most Tier 1 brands have a similar failure rate across the range. So HP/Dell/Mac should all have similar reliability, across the ranges; and higher when compared to tier2/3 vendors (clones etc).

Yes, but Apple does not make low end notebooks. Note that the failure rate is not the same across the entire range. A R37,000 Lenovo (yes you can buy those) will have decent build too but it won't be better than a top of the range Apple Macbook Pro, unless it's customised for CAD/CAE hardware - say a mobile Quadro card. However bottom of the range, entry level products will not be as good in quality as the mid-range and high end products. Mac notebooks occupy the mid-range and up category.

Windows PCs require slightly more maintenance in terms of patches and Antivirus, but in two years I have never had a virus, and use free AV, so it need not be a determining factor.

That is a major problem. You need a very clued up user and many older people I know - namely friends' parents and my own grandparents are not very clued up in that regard. I run Comodo Firewall Pro with very customised rules as well as SpyBot and an AV but to get CFP to learn everything properly is no easy task.
For games: Again, its preference. Look at the list of games available for both platforms and see for yourself.

Good point, agree.

Macs are more expensive, and in my opinion do not offer significant real benefits to justify the extra price; however if price were not an issue, then I would buy a Mac....

I half agree here. For someone like you who has all his ducks in a row, and is happy to do what you're doing on a setup you've lovingly customised - a new computer and operating system is probably not the way to go. However, for most people, especially those who are not clued up, Macs with better quality of build and components, better support (maybe not in SA but in the US and EU iStore support wins awards), and pretty powerful hardware (depends also on the refresh cycle but at each refresh cycle the Macs are slightly ahead of mainstream PCs) and of course the powerful OS with no viruses to steal your credit card details (if you don't DL warez) a Mac is probably better. You just spend less time monkeying around.

And if you have apps like FCP or Aparture, well Macs are definately better. These apps are first class, they're cheaper than PC equivalents and often you can run the same copy legally on the notebook and desktop machines,
plus they're usually loaded with printed manuals and free class coupons.

I actually have my machines organised pretty well too. XP is fast, works well if patched/with Firefox/with lots of security apps and a I'm a user who knows what to run and what not to run - Win 7 won't give me any benefits other than cost and reduced performance. Win 7 has security benefits over XP but those can be negated by a locked down system with 3rd party apps and viruses do exist for Win 7.
 
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In a previous thread peter said he could not grasp how to pin icon's on the taskbar.

He said that was the main reason he would not buy windows 7 :D.

I actually said that I prefer not to learn icons for millions of applets.
 

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In another thread he gave a reason for not liking Windows cause he has difficulty to "learn new icons". We kinda fell off our chairs at that peterchism.

What I said to bwana earlier - I rest my case.
 
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