Mac and PC, which one is better?

[PeterCH]

Now that you have embellished on your story it makes more sense



A lie, of course you have, I have proof.


I let the evidence speak for itself Peter I feel I would be lying if I said you were not a Mac fanboi

In the first response I was replying to this in the article you quoted:
"Many experts believe that spark is no longer missing. Critics say that Republican politicians have let loose a wave of anger tied to the healthcare debate. Fuelled by racial issues and the economic crisis, it may be impossible to control. "
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-08-16-uss-radical-right-shows-disturbing-new-face

You did quote that article ne? You did also read the article you quoted an race was an issue in the article ne. It suggested that the attacks on Obama as being racist are racist motivated. It wasn't a dig at you personally but you took it personally. Nice. You even swore at me and accused me of lying.

Dude you blew your top there and I never even said anything about you but commented on the article you posted. Grow up!

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3199902&postcount=58

You constantly go off about literal interpretations of the Old Testament yet you should know that the Catholic Church sees many of these as not exactly literal either and they don't focus on the OT - the NT eclipses the OT. You harp on the 'cruel God' who threatened violence etc etc and you put the Catholic Church (biggest Christian denomination) into the same group. So you're obviously confused and for an ex-Catholic that's strange.

Anyway you're just a bit too paranoid Wiz.

Let's leave your personal gripes with me out of the Mac forum, OK?

 

[w1z4rd]

Night Peter

 

[PeterCH]

Night Peter

Night, yet again, defeated one.

 

[w1z4rd]

Night, yet again, defeated one.

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The wheels turning but their is no hamster. You have lost it Peter.

 

[PeterCH]

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The wheels turning but their is no hamster. You have lost it Peter.

Did I not ask you NICELY not to post your nonsense in other forums. Open up a thread somewhere else, this is a Mac discussion forum, not your own personal paranoia forum. Please create another thread elsewhere if you want to waste time arguing against me, because you cannot win. Truth always prevails.

I apologise to the mods and Mac users for these off topic posts, I have had a contribution I guess too. My very presence angers some people. Anyhow, this is a forum for Macs and not bizarre discussions. Thank you.

 

[The_Techie]

I'm not sure I understand the whole PC vs Mac and Windows vs OSX argument. You buy:
1) The thing that allows you to do what you need to do
2) In the least amount of time
3) For the least amount of money

If it's a PC, you buy a PC. If it's a Mac, you buy a Mac.

That's my view on the whole PC vs Mac debate.

 

[PeterCH]

That's my view on the whole PC vs Mac debate.

That's also a bit of an overgeneralisation.

Consider different user types.

1. Casual user - not computer clued up, not a gamer.

Mac is easier for this user.
No viruses to worry about.
No activation or WGA issues to worry about.
No need to learn jargon.
He has everything he/she needs on the system out of the box.
No OEM trialware installs either.
No old hangups from DOS, Win 3.1, NT, Windows XP/Vista days.

2. Everyday user who could use either because either have the apps. Clued up.

Yes one can make Windows secure. It takes a lot of time and money directly and indirectly.
Maintenance takes more time. Registry cleaners, defraggers, corrupt installs, unnecessary startups need to be removed. Again time.
Windows likes to steal your focus of attention - I so hate that arrogance from Microsoft.
OSX does not slow down with time.

Depends. I'd take OSX here.

3. Windows user who needs a Windows App or Apps.

Obvious choice here is to stay with Windows.
Bootcamp is an alternative. As is virtualisation.
Native Windows with native apps is simplest and probably best solution.

4. Windows user who does not like Mac OSX interface.

You can enable right clicking. You can use a shell like Norton Commander.
You can run Mac versions of Win programs which have similar functionality.
If you still don't like it, stick with Windows.

5. User who prefers Mac OSX simplicity but must run some Windows apps.

Use bootcamp.
Use a native Mac alternative - even OSS one.
Use Parallels/VMWare Fusion/Virtual Box (free).

6. Hardcore PC gamers.

Windows and generic PC hardware.

7. Someone who likes Mac OSX/needs Mac OSX apps but wants to game a bit.

Mac OSX with Bootcamp and play any Windows game.
Game with Native OSX games.
Some games play under Parallels etc.
Use a console.

 

[The_Techie]

That's also a bit of an overgeneralisation.

Consider different user types.

1. Casual user - not computer clued up, not a gamer.

2. Everyday user who could use either because either have the apps. Clued up.

3. Windows user who needs a Windows App or Apps.

4. Windows user who does not like Mac OSX interface.

5. User who prefers Mac OSX simplicity but must run some Windows apps.

6. Hardcore PC gamers.

7. Someone who likes Mac OSX/needs Mac OSX apps but wants to game a bit.

User 1: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, points 1 and 2 satisfied by Mac. Casual user will, more often than not, let point 3 be the determining factor.
User 2: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, points 1 and 2 satisfied by Mac. Someone who is clued up will probably let point 3 be the determining factor.
User 3: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, point 1 not satisfied by Mac so no sense analyzing further (unless you want to use Bootcamp).
User 4: All 3 points satisfied by a PC (unless, of course, he needs to run Mac-only software), point 1 satisfied by Mac, point 2 could be satisfied by Mac with some tweaking. Again, point 3 might be the deciding factor.
User 5: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, all 3 points satisfied by a Mac. He'll choose a Mac since he prefers the interface.
User 6: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, point 1 satisfied by Mac. Hardcore gamers will likely spend their money on gaming hardware, so will probably choose a PC.
User 7: Point 1 not satisfied by a PC, no sense analyzing further, all points satisfied by a Mac. Like you said, could also buy a console as well.

My 3 point system is more flexible than you might think

EDIT: That's how it would work in a perfect world. Unfortunately, marketing has skewed the perception of so many consumers that some will buy a Mac because it's cool and some will hate a Mac because they heard of a friend of a friend who has a cousin that knew someone who had a Mac and they were so stuck-up, etc etc.

 

[PeterCH]

User 1: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, points 1 and 2 satisfied by Mac. Casual user will, more often than not, let point 3 be the determining factor.
User 2: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, points 1 and 2 satisfied by Mac. Someone who is clued up will probably let point 3 be the determining factor.
User 3: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, point 1 not satisfied by Mac so no sense analyzing further (unless you want to use Bootcamp).
User 4: All 3 points satisfied by a PC (unless, of course, he needs to run Mac-only software), point 1 satisfied by Mac, point 2 could be satisfied by Mac with some tweaking. Again, point 3 might be the deciding factor.
User 5: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, all 3 points satisfied by a Mac. He'll choose a Mac since he prefers the interface.
User 6: All 3 points satisfied by a PC, point 1 satisfied by Mac. Hardcore gamers will likely spend their money on gaming hardware, so will probably choose a PC.
User 7: Point 1 not satisfied by a PC, no sense analyzing further, all points satisfied by a Mac. Like you said, could also buy a console as well.

My 3 point system is more flexible than you might think

EDIT: That's how it would work in a perfect world. Unfortunately, marketing has skewed the perception of so many consumers that some will buy a Mac because it's cool and some will hate a Mac because they heard of a friend of a friend who has a cousin that knew someone who had a Mac and they were so stuck-up, etc etc.

Your analysis is very biased pro-PC. . According to it, all 3 points are satisfied by PC. It's a biased analisys and if I didn't know you better, I'd say you were an MS astroturfer or shill now I know you're not.

PCs are terrible for first time users. Viruses and malware are key dangers.

PCs are terrible also because they're often preloaded with lots of Trialware.

PCs are terrible in that they don't come with many functional apps out of the box.

You can get very cheap Office Suite equivalents for Mac and never need MS Office - iWork.

Clued up users who want less frustration, less BS and less OS messaging interruptions will go with OSX too.

I can only think of these scenarios where PC is better than Mac.

1. Proprietary hardware without Mac support or substandard Mac support.
2. Proprietary software without Mac or substandard Mac support.
3. User too comfortable with Windows Classic interface but Win 7 messes that up too and you can't have the classic Win 95 taskbar with 7. MS has already messed up user familiarity with Office Ribbons, new Taskbar and other things.
4. User is on a budget and needs to spend very little money immediately or is using machine not to make money.

 

[w1z4rd]

Did I not ask you NICELY not to post your nonsense in other forums. Open up a thread somewhere else, this is a Mac discussion forum, not your own personal paranoia forum. Please create another thread elsewhere if you want to waste time arguing against me, because you cannot win. Truth always prevails.

I apologise to the mods and Mac users for these off topic posts, I have had a contribution I guess too. My very presence angers some people. Anyhow, this is a forum for Macs and not bizarre discussions. Thank you.

How bizarre.

 

[MacNutter]

Greetings forum. The zeal at which you support Apple is very interesting PeterCH, but it's making the rest of us Mac users look dumb. I registered just to say that and now I need to return to my bat cave and carry on lurking.

 

[The_Techie]

Your analysis is very biased pro-PC. . According to it, all 3 points are satisfied by PC. It's a biased analisys and if I didn't know you better, I'd say you were an MS astroturfer or shill now I know you're not.

PCs are terrible for first time users. Viruses and malware are key dangers.

PCs are terrible also because they're often preloaded with lots of Trialware.

PCs are terrible in that they don't come with many functional apps out of the box.

None of which are even touched upon by my 3 point analysis, hence why it might seem biased to you If you disagree regarding my analysis of PC vs Mac in those scenarios within the scope of my 3 point analysis then let's hear it, but don't say I'm biased

 

[phiber]

Greetings forum. The zeal at which you support Apple is very interesting PeterCH, but it's making the rest of us Mac users look dumb. I registered just to say that and now I need to return to my bat cave and carry on lurking.

+1

 

[Sputnik]

Greetings forum. The zeal at which you support Apple is very interesting PeterCH, but it's making the rest of us Mac users look dumb. I registered just to say that and now I need to return to my bat cave and carry on lurking.

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PeterCH don't go for the troll bait. I don't always agree with some of your totally wacky comments, but rather that Mac vs. PC vc. Linux vs. what-the-hell-ever trolling.

 

[PeterCH]

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PeterCH don't go for the troll bait. I don't always agree with some of your totally wacky comments, but rather that Mac vs. PC vc. Linux vs. what-the-hell-ever trolling.

I have one ally on the whole board. I'm happy . Thanks, man.

And the thing is, some months back I did a critique of stereotypical Mac users. I think it got 3-4 pages. Hehe. Anyone who saw that would know I'm not biased pro-Mac
for the image, I genuinely find it easier and better than Win PC.

 

[Prof.]

There has been so many discussions on Mac vs PC, I say if you want more gaming, go Windows.

 

[PeterCH]

There has been so many discussions on Mac vs PC, I say if you want more gaming, go Windows.

Sorry for the O/T: but did you hear about it? Your town is being renamed.

 

[macboer]

Greetings forum. The zeal at which you support Apple is very interesting PeterCH, but it's making the rest of us Mac users look dumb. I registered just to say that and now I need to return to my bat cave and carry on lurking.

+1

 

[Drunkard #1]

1. It's not better. Better for what. Better for the Security Suite/Defragger/AV/Anti-Rootkit/Registry cleaner experience. No, it's better for the hundreds of thousands of applications it supports natively (some common, some specialised), the lower price, the wider choice, and the better customer service.
2. Is it cheaper? Is a high end Sony Vaio or Lenovo cheaper than a high end MacBook Pro? Yes.
3. Is a high end Dell or HP workstation cheaper than a Mac Pro (similar specs)? Maybe, maybe not, they're both R 40 000 workstations, not PCs, so this argument is moot.
4. R2000 for Windows? Yes, that's what it costs. (Unless you downl... never mind.) Why even use it. Because most users have to. Could YOU survive without it? Obviously not, because if you could get rid of it, you would have. Or are you a closet Windows fanboi? Get iWork for $60 and enjoy
better than MS OFFICE experience. You should try it, you'll switch to Mac. For certain people (I'm one of them) MS Office is the only choice. For all its faults, it has certain high-end features that no competitor has matched.




Lame strawman argument.

Mac Pro - need a new GPU - swap it out. It's easier than in a PC. At best, it's as easy is doing the same thing on a PC. More typically, your average Mac user will need to take his machine in for any upgrading.
Mac Pro - need a new HDD - easy to swap out. See point above.
Mac Pro - need new RAM - easy to swap out. See point above. Are you even considering MacMinis and iMacs here? Mac Pros are few and far between, and are not applicable to any discussion of general personal computers. MacMinis and iMacs are dogs when it comes to upgrading.
Ok - motherboard blows - you'll need a new one. Rare occurrence. But if it does happen, you're screwed for weeks.
PC - motherboard blows - you'll need a new one. Rare occurrence but perhaps less rare because PC parts are often sub-par (unless you buy your own) and that wastes a lot of money and time. Building your own PC saves money and requires a just few hours work. The end result is undeniably superior to any machine in the same price range, and mostly superior to any machine (Mac or PC) costing twice as much.
Mac Book Pro - need a new HDD or memory - easy to swap out. No easier to do than on a PC.



You bought a new motherboard for R200? Or did you just do the soldering yourself? I used generic add-on cards from the local PC shop to replace the onboard functionality. How many PCI slots does a MacMini or iMac have?



And Panasonic kills Lenovo. And yet doesn't even sell enough to make it onto the list! You go on following Jap trends, I'll follow Yank trends.



It is. Now IBM wasn't but Lenovo is now a Communist Chinese company.
Their high end Lenovos are pretty decent but not as decent as IBM Thinkpads. Hope you used one, I used one long ago. Even if they're not built to the same standard as the IBM Thinkpads (a point which I disagree with), they're still built to a better standard than Apples. As for commies, Lenovo isn't the company telling its users what to use, when to use it and how use it. Apple are bigger commies that every PC manufacturer combined. "You will use what Apple permits you to use, in the configuration Apple has chosen and to perform the tasks Apple allows. Apple knows best, and DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION APPLE." I'll take red China over Apple in an election.



Low End Lenovos are not cheap cr-p but they are less well built than Macbooks/MBPs. They're cheap and they're crap, but that's a market they choose to compete in, so good luck to them. And no, you shouldn't compare a R 5000 Lenovo to a R 15 000 Apple, but what will last longer: 1 Apple, or the 3 Lenovos you could buy for the same price?

Over the weekend I was idling about in Gateway (not my first choice of recreation, but the weather was bad), and I tried out some of these fancy new Macs/iMacs/MacBooks/Macbook Pros for 20 minutes. They are THE SUCK. There keyboards are terrible, their mice are too flat and their screens too glossy. As for their fancy trackpads, if you're doing serious work, a mouse is always quicker than a trackpad. I can see why every corporate on earth chooses Lenovo over Mac. Your Macs are form over function in every way. How on earth can you say that they make better production machines than Lenovo? The only usable thing there was OS X, every other part of the Mac was inferior to the PC I'm using now; not that OS X is superior to Windows, I found it just barely usable. I'm a Wintel user, and that's that way I intend to stay.