Man in court for avoiding e-tolls

kianm said:
F***k . I stopped where it says he fiddled with number plates, that's where his problem is not the e-tolls
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Agreed.

This is why I said this article is BS!

They should have reported correctly:

Sanral manipulating the legal system to get their way
 
Replay said:
so refusing to pay e-tolls is not a criminal offense?
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nope.

thank the constitution for that.
They can, however take you to court for unpaid debt.
only problem is you did not sign for said debt.
so many laws, and rights, and such involved.

as a capie, can you now see why it is a whole fukked up mess?

however swapping plates, or having fake plates is a criminal matter....
 
Hitchcock said:
The more I think about this, with a good attorney, he may even walk away from the fraud charges and be convicted on lesser charges related to the number plate manipulation. The fact is, did he change the number plate before riding the toll roads and then change it back to the correct one after he got off? Is there evidence or witnesses to that?

If not, what if he admitted that he manipulated the plates as he gets threatening messages from unknown people and did not want people to see his real plates? If so, they would never be able to prove that he wanted to defraud sanral, and this simply based on the fact that he drives everywhere with the fake plates.

Driving with fake plates alone does not amount to fraud.
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Driving with fake plates is number plate fraud, and while the penalty is probably not as severe as normal fraud he can still be fined. While searching for applicable penalties I got to this News24 article. The picture of different number plates have a certain "theme" to the numbers used :)
 
Oh mybroadband. From headline to 1st line. Really, what are you trying to prove by publishing false headlines to articles.
 
furpile said:
Driving with fake plates is number plate fraud, and while the penalty is probably not as severe as normal fraud he can still be fined. While searching for applicable penalties I got to this News24 article. The picture of different number plates have a certain "theme" to the numbers used :)
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Tampering with your numberplate is NOT fraud. Not a lesser type or fraud, or whatever. There are regulations specifically for tampering of numberplates under which a person will be charged.

The only time you can be charged with fraud, when tampering with your numberplate, the state must provide evidence as to who you wanted to defraud, the intention to defraud, actual or potential losses involved. You cannot simply say a person who tampered with his wanted to defraud everyone.

Fraud is not as easy as that. Driving with a tampered numberplate does not amount to fraud, unless they can prove that he specifically wanted to defraud Sanral. That is the challenge and a good attorney will get him off the fraud charges, but the lesser charges will stick.
 
I hope this guy fights this case and do not enter into a plea agreement. I am sure scumral will secure some deal where he walks free, with only a small fine, if he pleas guilty to refusal to pay etoll fees. Hope he is not this stupid!

A lot will be riding on this case, especially the lesser additional charges.
 
Hitchcock said:
Tampering with your numberplate is NOT fraud. Not a lesser type or fraud, or whatever. There are regulations specifically for tampering of numberplates under which a person will be charged.

The only time you can be charged with fraud, when tampering with your numberplate, the state must provide evidence as to who you wanted to defraud, the intention to defraud, actual or potential losses involved. You cannot simply say a person who tampered with his wanted to defraud everyone.

Fraud is not as easy as that. Driving with a tampered numberplate does not amount to fraud, unless they can prove that he specifically wanted to defraud Sanral. That is the challenge and a good attorney will get him off the fraud charges, but the lesser charges will stick.
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Ok, so from the article I linked there:
"If motorists tamper with number plates, or spray them in such a way that they are not visible, then the driver can be arrested for number plate fraud," spokesperson Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar said.
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From IOL:
The State said Stoychev, as an e-toll user, was required to pay for every gantry he crossed and thus using a falsified number plate resulted in fraud.

It was said that he used these number plates to evade the liability of paying e-tolls, which prejudiced Sanral.
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If you drive on a toll road with false plates you are automatically defrauding SANRAL. There is nothing to prove.

And Times Live:
Maseko is being investigated for fraud involving an allegedly cloned car licence plate.
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Jan said:
Statement from the JPSA: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/678935-Why-not-also-nail-former-top-cop-and-Telkom-CEO
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From the statement:
“While it may be true that the charges against [Stoychev] also include charges in terms of the Sanral Act, falsifying, deliberately obscuring and/or removing number plates from/on a motor vehicle is by no means a new crime and has been a criminal offence in terms of the National Road Traffic Act forever,” said JPSA chairman Howard Dembovsky.
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Hitchcock said:
No, this article here on MyBB is BS!

He is not in court for 'avoiding etolls', he is in court on charges of fraud for manipulating his number plate. The state only threw in some additional charges to see if they will stick.
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Was about to say that. Clearly he's there for fraud!!!
 
Sensationalism at its best.

Hitchcock said:
I hope this guy fights this case and do not enter into a plea agreement. I am sure scumral will secure some deal where he walks free, with only a small fine, if he pleas guilty to refusal to pay etoll fees. Hope he is not this stupid!

A lot will be riding on this case, especially the lesser additional charges.
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I am actually hoping he pleads guilty to the number plate charges in return for dropping all the other charges. They just seem petty and unprovable in a court where the number plate tampering is easily provable and a misdemeanor.
 
And ofcourse, MyBB doesnt care about the crap they post... yet wants to be a tech news site...
 
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