Ah, now that's different. Having been a reservist, I'm sure you were exposed to a lot and have faced a lot of challenging situations.
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Ah, now that's different. Having been a reservist, I'm sure you were exposed to a lot and have faced a lot of challenging situations.
sand_man
Honorary Master
IMO what's pertinent in this particular case was did the penalty fit the crime and unfortunately for the thief it probably didn't. I think the death penalty for the theft of a cell phone is a bit harsh and affectively that's what he got.
It mentions that the victim chased the thief, is one to assume that he told him to stop running or he would shoot and did he then fire a warning shot before firing the fatal shot??!! Was the thief given any opportunity to surrender??!
Again this particular thief was on the wrong end of the firearm and he paid the ultimate price which is perhaps far worse then the 2 years he may have got if convicted in a court of law for his crime.
But the bottom line is people are fed up with unacceptably high levels of violent crime and the SAPS despite their best efforts are not affective enough in curbing this crime so yeah, the man in the street has to go to great lengths to secure his/her own property and that includes fortifying our properties, alarm systems, arm guards and arming ourselves...
On whether the victim should be charged for murder, of course yes, it's routine but the charge will probably be downgraded once it is established that he was in fact the victim of crime etc it's going to be very difficult to prove he shot the thief in self defence because the guy was shot in the back running away, that already is going to cast doubt over his claim of shooting in self defense...
It mentions that the victim chased the thief, is one to assume that he told him to stop running or he would shoot and did he then fire a warning shot before firing the fatal shot??!! Was the thief given any opportunity to surrender??!
Again this particular thief was on the wrong end of the firearm and he paid the ultimate price which is perhaps far worse then the 2 years he may have got if convicted in a court of law for his crime.
But the bottom line is people are fed up with unacceptably high levels of violent crime and the SAPS despite their best efforts are not affective enough in curbing this crime so yeah, the man in the street has to go to great lengths to secure his/her own property and that includes fortifying our properties, alarm systems, arm guards and arming ourselves...
On whether the victim should be charged for murder, of course yes, it's routine but the charge will probably be downgraded once it is established that he was in fact the victim of crime etc it's going to be very difficult to prove he shot the thief in self defence because the guy was shot in the back running away, that already is going to cast doubt over his claim of shooting in self defense...
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dyanamo
Senior Member
Just to de-rail the topic a bit and add a "funny" story : Was working in civilian clothes (undercover) at a night club just walking around outside when a bakkie comes screaming past me and almost knocks me down. I yell at him and motion with my hands to slow down. A approx 20 year old guy gets out the passenger seat and storms over to me with the intent to punch me (cause I was being cocky) (I was about 22) so I draw my firearm and point it at the ground. (Should have said I was police but kept quite)He shat himself, he comes up to me and says what a mate I am and shakes my lose hand etc then dissapears. I saw him 20min later that night crying to a friend over it. Made me chuckle inside.
Anyways if he did try hit me I wouldn't have had a second though on shooting him, and shooting to kill. My excuse, he assaulted me and tried to take my firearm.
Neways im not one for taking ****. If you endanger me or my loved ones and I can kill you I will.
Want to join the reservists here in CT again but my GF doesnt want me to
Anyways if he did try hit me I wouldn't have had a second though on shooting him, and shooting to kill. My excuse, he assaulted me and tried to take my firearm.
Neways im not one for taking ****. If you endanger me or my loved ones and I can kill you I will.
Want to join the reservists here in CT again but my GF doesnt want me to
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killadoob
Honorary Master
dyanamo what if he turned around and started running and you shot him anyway?
can u justify blatant murder?
can u justify blatant murder?
dyanamo
Senior Member
I will not murder someone. Ill kill someone with just cause. If my life was threatened or I felt my life was threatened during the robbery I would have shot there and then not waited for the robbers to run away. The guy who shot the robber was wrong as the robbers were no threat to anyone while they were running but he had full right to shoot them while he was being robbed and even though it would proberbaly be a lengthy court case he will get off with man slaughter.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
The theft of a cellphone isn't why people would be happy to see a guy like this getting shot. He is in a gang going around mugging people, and would have no problem breaking into your house and then probably even killing an innocent person if he had to (or for no reason).
There's no chance that those guys were just stealing one cellphone because they desperately needed money. Its another gangster off the streets.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
That is the problem. No longer self-defence. Now bordering on retaliation or revenge which the law will not tolerate.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
So you think it is alright to go around killing these people based on those wild assumptions?
Of course I don't believe everyone kills, but what to say he won't?
killadoob
Honorary Master
what to say he will?
you cannot kill ppl on the presumption that they might kill somebody
you cannot kill ppl on the presumption that they might kill somebody
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Exactly. I am sure that the forumites making these bold suggestions would not be too happy if they were murdered because someone 'thought' they were going to do something bad sometime in the future.
Going in circles here, as stated already by law he was wrong. However I feel no remorse for the dead thief; he won't be able to do that again and in my books that's good. If you feel sorry for him, well that's entirely up to you. kay, thanx and bye.
killadoob
Honorary Master
kthxbi
come again
come again
Here is a similar situation, but the shooter acted correctly
Homeowner kills car thief
15/01/2008 15:30 - (SA)
Johannesburg - A man was shot and killed by a homeowner while he was allegedly trying to steal a car at Sunset Bay in East London on Tuesday morning, Eastern Cape police said.
Spokesperson Superintendent Mtati Tana said the man - aged between 20 and 27 - was seen by the car's owner near the vehicle, tampering with the steering wheel.
"The homeowner approached the man and noticed that he had a knife, a screw driver, a lock nut spanner and allen keys.
"The man threatened to stab the vehicle's owner, who then drew his hand gun and shot the suspect in the chest."
Tana said the man tried to run away but fell a few metres from the car and died.
The man was thought to be linked to a syndicate of car and tyre thieves who operated in areas such as West Bank, Greenfields, Sunnyridge and Sunset Bay.
Police were investigating a case of murder.
The docket would be sent to the public prosecutor to determine if self-defence was the motive of the shooting, said Tana.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2252186,00.html
Homeowner kills car thief
15/01/2008 15:30 - (SA)
Johannesburg - A man was shot and killed by a homeowner while he was allegedly trying to steal a car at Sunset Bay in East London on Tuesday morning, Eastern Cape police said.
Spokesperson Superintendent Mtati Tana said the man - aged between 20 and 27 - was seen by the car's owner near the vehicle, tampering with the steering wheel.
"The homeowner approached the man and noticed that he had a knife, a screw driver, a lock nut spanner and allen keys.
"The man threatened to stab the vehicle's owner, who then drew his hand gun and shot the suspect in the chest."
Tana said the man tried to run away but fell a few metres from the car and died.
The man was thought to be linked to a syndicate of car and tyre thieves who operated in areas such as West Bank, Greenfields, Sunnyridge and Sunset Bay.
Police were investigating a case of murder.
The docket would be sent to the public prosecutor to determine if self-defence was the motive of the shooting, said Tana.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2252186,00.html
marine1
Honorary Master
Simple, just make sure the animal criminal threatens you and put that in your statement and be sure to kill him facing you.
Skeptik
Banned
I wouldn't boast too much about that incident. As far as I can tell you should never have drawn your firearm and he could have prosecuted you for it. He was not armed and was alone, therefore your life was not threatened. ..... that's what the police would say anyway.
Threatening to stab someone is not a caste-iron defence or reason to fire or even point a firearm. He must have tried or succeeded according to the police.
They are not animals I agree You are right THEY ARE WORSE. They are thieving barbarians, scum, low life's. They steal and would not mind killing for it. They belong in the times a few centuries back and so does the police for charging him with a criminal act when he was protecting the future of this country. So its OK if the B@STARDS rape you and run, You are not allowed to shoot him so he can murder rape and steal again. I think You should have your priorities in life checked.
What wrong with this scum society of ours is that the Government and their cronies think that criminals have a human right but they forget that these criminals took away someone Else's human rights and as thus should not and do not qualify for human rights or pity for that matter. Thats why we vote for criminals to run the show!
supersunbird
Honorary Master
As far as I can tell the guy that got out of the car was having road rage...