Mandela, The Sensitive Leader

devnull said:
personally i dont think he is anything more than a media personality. the fact that he came out of jail and didnt declare war on the whites is nothing fantastic, its just not what we've come to expect from african leaders. and really it would have been quite difficult considering the army and police were still white.
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Oh please!!!! And what about any other leader in any other region of the world where we currently have political turmoil and ongoing fighting and civil war? So it is only an African problem?

And as for your comments about all the police and army being white.... have you ever had a look at the demographics of this country we live in? For your benefit and clearly needed education :

Ethnic groups: Black 79.5%, white 9.2%, Coloured 8.9%, Asian 2.5% (2006 est.)


devnull said:
he was a terrorist leader in "the struggle" something the apartheid museum makes a big noise about, but they mention nothing about the referendum which was the real reason apartheid ended.
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And for what reason was a referendum held? Did the NP government wake up one morning and decide they were going to hold a referendum? I think not!!! And before you belittle what happened in this country and the greatness of it, and the man seen as being the symbol of this change (yes others where involved but every struggle/country has a leader), look at what is happening across the border in Zimbabwe and see what can happen when you attempt to switch control!

As I heard someone on radio say... not only has he done a lot... he is also 90 years old!! A great number for any person to reach. So have some respect! :mad:
 
Freshy-ZN said:
ironrod....you are insinuating that non-blacks have no right to be here. Be very careful. You are no better than the worst racist with those beliefs.

Just because you think Mandela is greater than Jesus doesnt mean everyone else does. You insist that noone has the right to criticise him? Well you are more than wrong. When people dont join you in your hero worship of someone who is complicit in the deaths of innocent people you throw your toys our the cot?

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I am merely saying that if people are to try and go back to yesteryears and look for things that have happened in the past, label Mr. Mandela a terrorist, then I will have to state the horrible things done during the minority rule, taking into account the fairness done by the old man, after all those years of incarceration, then those people who are still looking for faults, do not deserve to be called South Africans.
 
phenom said:
Was it really a good thing that Nelson was so forgiving, shouldn't we have had a world wide, hard core trail of all the things that happened in apartheid. And then immediately seeked Fair and Precise(as most as possible) Justice for it?

And why is it that so many (most of the extreemists) have became ossies already, running away before any justice, who has to pay for that in their expense?

Should we have not accounted for every single thing, from the whites and non-whites, and every group they have in them also, the goods and bads from both sides.

Should we have not put this out and settled all legitimate claims, had an robust BEE, based on truth and individual histories, and not on groups. And continued the BEE, after that, one which makes sure that it did include all people that did not take part in apartheid, or went against it or moved to the land a few years after it, or was not born in it.

Other large trading partners would have then understood what is happening and would have agreed on this.

The ANC does not seem to be placing in justice it seems to be making non-apartheid supporting whites take the blame and pay for this, and in communities world wide too, so that the africans which did not live in apartheid society and are now lately urbanized, benefit from BEE.

The government and South African society playing are seeming to play an eye for an eye now, and many or most of the whites/forigners that did not support or take part in apartheid, now has to pay for it, their children too.
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People like you with no appreciation and gratitude do not belong to this country.
 
ironrod said:
Were Africans allowed the same privileges as their counterparts, transport system, toilets, parks, services, to name but a few?
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Why would any 'African' want to have any access to these creations of the evil white cononists anyway.?

You also need to get over this idea that the whole of the continent belongs to the black man. It doesn't and never did.

As for Mandela, the man is an ex-terrorist that had no option but to negotiate a settlement with the ruling party who in turn were being forced to negotiate through outside pressure. I am glad that they did because the alternative would have been pretty messy at best.

Sadly though, the outcome of that settlement is what this country has degenerated into today. The messy option might well have had a more constructine outcome.
 
ironrod said:
Which race are the 100 000 people that died during his reign? The 100 000 dying now, are supposed to be his responsibility? Give the old man a break, it shows your lack of appreciation and lack of insight to what he has achieved.With that kind of attitude, you are an embarrassment to the Rainbow Nation.
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What rainbow nation?

That was our dream, all of us - black, white, Indian, coloured, chinese, when Nelson took charge. It was his dream also.... and he had earned the right to ask for it after 27 years.

Mbeki and the current ANC leadership/followers have destroyed that dream!

Whilst I agree Madiba is a great man, with much wisdom, I am disappointed that he didn't/couldn't do more to ensure that those succeeding him would follow through with his ambitions and ideals, if only for his grandchildren.

So for me, Madiba is/was an anomally to the ANC, because over the last 8 years since Madiba stepped down, the so called "RAINBOW NATION", particularly those of us with dreams of democracy and upholding our constitution, have now been re-named counter revolutionaries worthy only of "elimination". Those with small children now wonder what will be left for them when they grow up - if they grow up...

So whilst I rejoice in Madiba's 90th birthday celebration, I also mourn the loss of all of our dreams. Those that we saw as possible when he was released from jail and gave that magnificent speech, the words that told us that we dared hope for a peaceful and democratic future for all of South Africans, when he kissed and hugged children - black and white, and said South Africa is a country that embraces all it's people.

Those dreams are gone now, and I really miss them, because with them went all my hope...:(
 
ironrod said:
People like you with no appreciation and gratitude do not belong to this country.
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It's called freedom of speech and it's very important in a democracy.

You might not agree or even like what someone else has to say, but just the fact that they CAN say it is very very important.
 
ironrod said:
People like you with no appreciation and gratitude do not belong to this country.
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You make me sad:( You do not read nor fully understand other posters views and opinions. There seems to be a knee jerk reaction that has been built into your responses to immediately spit out some incoherent sentence.
Don't know why you are so angry?

If you actually read some of the responses properly then maybe you would see there may be some valid points and not necessarily just derogatory remarks as you seem to think.
 
Zenbaas said:
You make me sad:( You do not read nor fully understand other posters views and opinions. There seems to be a knee jerk reaction that has been built into your responses to immediately spit out some incoherent sentence.
Don't know why you are so angry?

If you actually read some of the responses properly then maybe you would see there may be some valid points and not necessarily just derogatory remarks as you seem to think.
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How many of you, were segregated?
 
Ironrod, u've ignored the rest of my questions, but please answer me just this ONE question:

Did Umkhonto weSizwe bomb civilian targets during the armed struggle?

Yes or no, facts only.
 
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Turtle said:
Ironrod, u've ignored the rest of my questions, but please answer me just this ONE question:

Did Umkhonto weSizwe bomb civilian targets during the armed struggle?

Yes or no, facts only.
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What do you mean by civilian targets? Ex.? i am not able to answer that without further clarification, as the question is vague.
 
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Lycanthrope said:
Source: BBC News

I thought I'd share this article since it made me smile. I think that Mandela is one of the greatest men that ever lived. I can't help but feel as though the current government is making a mockery of what he fought for... *shrug*
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I think i'm going to throw up. :sick:
 
ironrod said:
What do you mean by civilian targets? Ex.? i am not able to answer that without further clarification, as the question is vague.
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How in the world is that vague? If you are unclear of the meaning of the word civilian maybe you should look it up in a dictionary rather than accuse others of being vague.
 
icyrus said:
How in the world is that vague? If you are unclear of the meaning of the word civilian maybe you should look it up in a dictionary rather than accuse others of being vague.
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Lol...im sorry but thats just funny:D
 
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