Manual vs Automatic

[SauRoNZA]

So do I. That is after all, what cruise control is all about. Now what do you think is going to happen IF a lower-powered car would try and do the same on that stretch of road?

You haven't defined what a low powered car is yet.

Low power isn't everything, usually smaller lower powered cars are also much lighter and therefore aren't the problem you think they are.

If it's a piece of crap it won't have cruise control to begin with.

It is very clear you haven't actually used these cars you speak of and only observe them in the hands of crap drivers. Then again you observance of high powered cars is equally broken so who knows.

 

[SauRoNZA]

And yes there IS once again quite a bit of "evidence" around suggesting that the fancy computer-controlled LOWER POWERED cars hardly benefit at all from those electronic measures.

Where is this evidence you speak of? It's all just nonsense and conjecture on your part.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Only the hands of a competent driver. And yes what "saves" those cars is the availability of power ( the BMW)
And why do you say crappy ecosport? And how does it do? Straining every component in the gearbox to its limits?

So it's got nothing to do with it being manual or automatic does it?

No amount of automation can ever make up for poor driver ability - a lesson Boeing is now learning, see the latest on the MAX 737 fiasco, which is another classic example of failed automation.

So it's got nothing to do with it being manual or automatic does it?

And that is the same with automated cars. Drivers need to be trained on how to drive them, especially the lower-powered ones.

So it's got nothing to do with it being manual or automatic does it?

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[SauRoNZA]

How do I know what he did? but yes, he sure managed to do something to prevent the car from overriding his stupidity, or he just sat there watching the car failing to downshift sooner. All know is he had a complete lane to himself, more than 1,5 km of space to overtake and he could not do that.

DID not do it, doesn't mean he could not do it.

You are a walking talking constant contradiction to your own statements.

No I understood the crappy comment. The ecosport is a classic example of a vehicle that should not be supplied with a auto transmission.

It's supplied with a crap gearbox. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be equipped with an automatic, just means it shouldn't be equipped with a crap one.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Oh he wanted to, based on his behaviour before reaching that hill, passing trucks in the face of oncoming traffic etc.

And he passed those just fine considering he was still alive and driving alone side you.

So clearly the car was quite capable wasn't it?

Yet another contradiction to your observations.

 

[Adenoid Hynkel]

Auto's are faster than manuals?

In most cases yes, marginally. Same model, same driver that is proficient using auto and manual.

Put a noob behind the wheel and it will be a lot faster.

 

[SauRoNZA]

In most cases yes, marginally. Same model, same driver that is proficient using auto and manual.

Put a noob behind the wheel and it will be a lot faster.

The automatic you mean?

 

[Adenoid Hynkel]

The automatic you mean?

Yes. Could've worded it differently.

 

[supersunbird]

How do I know what he did? but yes, he sure managed to do something to prevent the car from overriding his stupidity, or he just sat there watching the car failing to downshift sooner. All know is he had a complete lane to himself, more than 1,5 km of space to overtake and he could not do that.

No I understood the crappy comment. The ecosport is a classic example of a vehicle that should not be supplied with a auto transmission.

Yet it can go up said hill, which you will know, without issue.

 

[Adenoid Hynkel]

Why anyone would chose the PDK version over the manual is beyond me.

 

[Claymore]

Now you are just being an idiot.
But to answer your question, IF it was an old beetle or Mini with a SU carb, I would have long ago seen to it that the performance was optimised to the point of shaping the needle for optimal performance at all revs.

You can't optimise for all conditions, because sometimes you might want to change the mixture for unusual conditions. Carbs are simplistic, and basically depend on the air volume for the mixture. EFI is a lot cleverer, and can take other factors into account, depending on sensors - flow, temperature, etc. But only with actual manual mixture control can you make the mixture richer or leaner to meet some objective you have in mind. You must be missing that sort of control you used to have on your Model T!

 

[Geoff.D]

You can't optimise for all conditions, because sometimes you might want to change the mixture for unusual conditions. Carbs are simplistic, and basically depend on the air volume for the mixture. EFI is a lot cleverer, and can take other factors into account, depending on sensors - flow, temperature, etc. But only with actual manual mixture control can you make the mixture richer or leaner to meet some objective you have in mind. You must be missing that sort of control you used to have on your Model T!

According to you that its. (talking to someone who did a thesis on performance optimisation on a 4 cylinder carburettor engine which included both track and dynamometer tests.) .........

And someone who got a modern car going for a person stuck in the boondocks whose electronics broke and was told that the car would have to be towed back to an approved agent before it could be driven again.

 

[Geoff.D]

Here is an interesting site to have a look at:

Automatic Transmission | All-O-Matic Transmissions (Pty) LTD

All-O-Matic is the pioneers in automatic transmission in South Africa and offers products and services ensuring fast, quality repair, whether for a rebuild or fully remanufactured unit.

all-o-matic.co.za

And the first paragraph is just hilarious:

The modern automatic transmission is by far the most complicated mechanical component in today’s automobile. Automatic transmissions contain mechanical-, hydraulic- and electrical systems with computer controls all working together in perfect harmony. That is until something goes wrong.

Here is a site that says it all in my opinion.

The 5 reasons why a manual is better than any automatic will ever be:

5 advantages of driving a manual transmission | Autodeal

Automatics are getting more and more efficient, shifting gears the old fashioned way isn’t completely devoid of benefit.

www.autodeal.com.ph

Control
Fuel Efficiency
Engine Brake
Simplicity
Response

And the summary:

These transmissions can also teach drivers the value of mechanical sympathy. Knowing how to operate a manual transmission is character building and fulfilling. It also teaches you skills that you would not normally learn in an automatic such as heel-toe downshifting, and efficient upshifting. Driving a manual is a dying art, but with worsening traffic conditions there are fewer and fewer people opting for this transmission – sadly.

 

[SeRpEnT]

 

[ToxicBunny]

Here is an interesting site to have a look at:

Automatic Transmission | All-O-Matic Transmissions (Pty) LTD

All-O-Matic is the pioneers in automatic transmission in South Africa and offers products and services ensuring fast, quality repair, whether for a rebuild or fully remanufactured unit.

all-o-matic.co.za

And the first paragraph is just hilarious:



Here is a site that says it all in my opinion.

The 5 reasons why a manual is better than any automatic will ever be:

5 advantages of driving a manual transmission | Autodeal

Automatics are getting more and more efficient, shifting gears the old fashioned way isn’t completely devoid of benefit.

www.autodeal.com.ph

Control
Fuel Efficiency
Engine Brake
Simplicity
Response

And the summary:

100% am opinion piece...

How far did you have to dig to find that opinion piece? From what seems to be a Philippines site as well.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Why anyone would chose the PDK version over the manual is beyond me.

If it was my second Porsche, sure I'd have the manual.

If it was my only Porsche...PDK all the way.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Control
Fuel Efficiency
Engine Brake
Simplicity
Response

And the summary:

Control - Paddles, perfect gear selection.
Fuel Efficiency - Dual Clutch and CVT more efficient than manual.
Engine Brake - Perfect with DCT every single time, provided for by others as well.
Simplicity - Can't be any simpler having LESS things to do.
Responce - Faster than any human.

Please do try again.

I say again, an automatic is not an automatic is not an automatic.

If we were only talking about torque converter gearboxes the above would be true, but we've moved so, so far beyond that since those were the standard.

Open your mind.

 

[SauRoNZA]

According to you that its. (talking to someone who did a thesis on performance optimisation on a 4 cylinder carburettor engine which included both track and dynamometer tests.) .........

So basically no experience with fuel injection.

Only technology from the 60's and earlier.

Makes perfect sense now.

 

[Geoff.D]

So basically no experience with fuel injection.

Only technology from the 60's and earlier.

Makes perfect sense now.

again you are making assumptions which are wrong.

I service my own cars -------- have and always will.

 

[SauRoNZA]

again you are making assumptions which are wrong.

Just going by all your bullshit contradictory statements mate.

You’ve provided very little in the way of substance otherwise.