Manual vs Automatic

qscwbt said:
Sorry old wise one for having a different opinion to you. I have driven from the old th350 turbo auto trans in a 427 chev v8, corona auto, too more modern audi dsg, golf dsg q3 dsg tdi, jazz cvt, impreza cvt. And currently do have a dsg in the garage and 2 manual cars.

My mates polo costed 80 k on dsg pack and megatronics box at only 70 000km. Mates golf dsg had laggy shifts and needed software upgrades to fix. Apparently as the clutches wear the computer need to be adjusted to this wear. Driving it on a track and the shifts gets worse as it gets warmer.

Quite simple :Manual has 3 pedals I step on clutch and change gears.
Auto: only 2 pedals no clutch and a computer that decide when to change gears. Even if I use paddles to shift the computer can still override your selection.

If your lasted 200 000 km good for you. Will be happy not pay the bill on any auto / dsg / cvt to repair.
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ok boomer.
 
I have had manuals up until my last car... And never again for a daily driver. The zf 8 speed in the 320d is sublime and pretty damned reliable from what I've read...

For a fun car a manual/dsg would be the choice.
 
I've had a ZF 8 speed auto in the Amarok V6 and I concur - it is incredible.

I'll either have that in my next car - or an Aisin 6sp auto - or any manual.
 
saturnz said:
when the auto box breaks or needs maintenance/repair, then lets have this discussion again
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My current car is an auto. For the very first time, it got a gearbox service, for all of R2000, at 280000km.

My last car was a manual, and on average, I had to have the clutch replaced every 50000km (every two years), typically for about R10000 each time (yay, dual mass flywheel), thanks to almost all of my driving being stop-start in traffic.
 
Any thoughts about Suzuki's AMT gearbox? AMT stands for "Automated Manual Transmission".

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I'm driving a new Suzuki with this gearbox and slowly but surely starting to get used to it. Just the shift from 1st to 2nd is way too fast and jerky for my liking...
 
SeRpEnT said:
Any thoughts about Suzuki's AMT gearbox? AMT stands for "Automated Manual Transmission".

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I'm driving a new Suzuki with this gearbox and slowly but surely starting to get used to it. Just the shift from 1st to 2nd is way too fast and jerky for my liking...
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Apparently the key to "using" those type of gearboxes is to lift off just before the shift change.

Basically have a manual gearbox hat on.

Generally these gearboxes are not well liked.
 
The only people who ever have problems with clutches on manual cars are those that ride the clutch.
In an auto cars you now have a computer that rides the clutch.

So sure if you can afford an auto then you can afford the added maintenance costs
 
SeRpEnT said:
Any thoughts about Suzuki's AMT gearbox? AMT stands for "Automated Manual Transmission".

Suzuki Auto Blog

Everything you wanted to know about Suzuki cars, driving in South Africa, road trips, and even great recipes!
blog.suzukiauto.co.za blog.suzukiauto.co.za

I'm driving a new Suzuki with this gearbox and slowly but surely starting to get used to it. Just the shift from 1st to 2nd is way too fast and jerky for my liking...
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Is this similar to BMW's horrendous SMG gearboxes?
 
Geoff.D said:
The only people who ever have problems with clutches on manual cars are those that ride the clutch.
In an auto cars you now have a computer that rides the clutch.

So sure if you can afford an auto then you can afford the added maintenance costs
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My auto gearbox has zero clutches, what now?
 
Neuk_ said:
Is this similar to BMW's horrendous SMG gearboxes?
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Depends on your expectation/reference point.

AMT is a budget gearbox for a budget car, you would have your own set of expectations.

SMG is/was a high-performance gearbox for a high-performance car, your expectations would be different.
 
FiestaST said:
Depends on your expectation/reference point.

AMT is a budget gearbox for a budget car, you would have your own set of expectations.

SMG is/was a high-performance gearbox for a high-performance car, your expectations would be different.
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I talking purely from a technical point of view, it sounds like the same concept, an otherwise manual gearbox with automated clutch/gear changes.
 
Neuk_ said:
I talking purely from a technical point of view, it sounds like the same concept, an otherwise manual gearbox with automated clutch/gear changes.
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Sounds like the same/similar concept yes. Drove an SMG years ago (Phoenix Yellow E46 M3) & a certain technique was needed. Not driven an AMT so unfortunately can't give my own view.

Can just provide what the vast majority of opinion on these gearboxes are.
 
Neuk_ said:
My auto gearbox has zero clutches, what now?
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Huh?
Does not matter what you want to call it, there is a system that disengages power when gears are changed. The generic name for that system is a clutch. So more detail we will be able to see what will be subject to wear and damage.
 
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