Manual vs Automatic

Geoff.D said:
Huh?
Does not matter what you want to call it, there is a system that disengages power when gears are changed. The generic name for that system is a clutch. So more detail we will be able to see what will be subject to wear and damage.
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No, just no. My auto gearbox has a torque converter, which is nothing like a clutch, at all. This is what I highlighted earlier, the general misconception around automatic gearboxes and how they actually operate.
 
Geoff.D said:
Auto cars are and will always be a curse on the roads.
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How the hell do you come to that conclusion? They operate just like everything else.

In fact they never stall so how can they be a curse, unlike say learns or noobs in manuals?
 
Neuk_ said:
No, just no. My auto gearbox has a torque converter, which is nothing like a clutch, at all. This is what I highlighted earlier, the general misconception around automatic gearboxes and how they actually operate.
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And neither do CVT's.
 
Neuk_ said:
I talking purely from a technical point of view, it sounds like the same concept, an otherwise manual gearbox with automated clutch/gear changes.
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It's pretty much a DSG with only one clutch and one gearbox is my understanding.

Same pushrod clutch setup but doesn't do the switch between clutches and gearboxes going from one to another so it takes much longer.

Haven't driven it when I tried out the Ignis unfortunately so can't comment on personal experience.

It did sound like a decent solution for cheap automatic for a non-driver kind of buyer, but not some who wants a bit more from their car.
 
SauRoNZA said:
It's pretty much a DSG with only one clutch and one gearbox is my understanding.

Same pushrod clutch setup but doesn't do the switch between clutches and gearboxes going from one to another so it takes much longer.

Haven't driven it when I tried out the Ignis unfortunately so can't comment on personal experience.

It did sound like a decent solution for cheap automatic for a non-driver kind of buyer, but not some who wants a bit more from their car.
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I still prefer a more traditional type of automatic for pottering around town like my girlfriend had on her old Fortuner.
 
You all can argue as much as you like. Even torque converters, and especially those installed in the proliferation of smaller-engined cars have a clutch-type mechanism in them, that fail for the same reasons as those in manual systems, but are far more costly to replace or repair. Call it a "flexplate", a system of pulleys and belts, a one-way clutch to prevent the stator from turning in the reverse direction, whatever. It is those parts of the mechanism that are prone to abuse and failure.
Smaller engined cars should just never be equipped with these things.
You cannot change gears in any transmission system if there is not some or other mechanism that separates the power train from the transmission train, just basic mechanics.
 
Geoff.D said:
Yes, real drivers who know how to drive do!
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You mean people who think driving manual proves that they know how to drive.

Meanwhile they are just laboriously whacking at pedals and shifters does no good logical reason at all.
 
I like both.

Auto for rush hour
manual for fun
 
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