Marikana Shootings Farlam Commission Thread

[CR34M3]

ECU agreement is that if anyone is killed by the police or defense force then they are to get assistance in attending the inquiry or hearing.

This is all well and good, the problem is that the bill footed is going to be huge. Note that there are (at least) three sets of families represented at the commission: the families of those killed by the police, the families of those shot at by the police (but not killed) and the families of those killed before 16 Aug (e.g. security guards). Now the legal council for the families of those who were shot at has already pulled a very emotive card by stating that the people whom he represents should receive financial aid (wrt the legal proceedings) ortherwise it will show that they need to have died to be deemed important enough. The same type of reasoning can be applied by the other other families.

With this thing being as emotional as it is, will the families of the 300-odd people who were present that day all need to be accommodated? If not, how do you choose and how do you handle the PR *****storm that will ensue?

As I've said before, this commission is so emotionally loaded I'm doubtful if they'll achieve anything of worth, but I have to keep hoping...

 

[Albereth]

This is all well and good, the problem is that the bill footed is going to be huge. Note that there are (at least) three sets of families represented at the commission: the families of those killed by the police, the families of those shot at by the police (but not killed) and the families of those killed before 16 Aug (e.g. security guards). Now the legal council for the families of those who were shot at has already pulled a very emotive card by stating that the people whom he represents should receive financial aid (wrt the legal proceedings) ortherwise it will show that they need to have died to be deemed important enough. The same type of reasoning can be applied by the other other families.

With this thing being as emotional as it is, will the families of the 300-odd people who were present that day all need to be accommodated? If not, how do you choose and how do you handle the PR *****storm that will ensue?

As I've said before, this commission is so emotionally loaded I'm doubtful if they'll achieve anything of worth, but I have to keep hoping...

And then you can add the 'family' back at home and the 'family' living in the area.

 

[waynegohl]

Like the TRC this Commission of Inquiry is yet but another farce.

First we have the families shipped in to attend then they get told there's no money for them to attend then the Department of Justice say they will foot the bill for the families. The Commission shows footage of the shooting and the families pass out and the Commission says sorry for the mistake in showing the footage, well WTF did the families expect to see and hear at the Commission, were they wanting to hear how decent folk their bread winners were or how much compensation they will be getting?

I hope the Commission shows footage of the slain policemen or other miners that were killed whilst wanting to do an honest days work no matter what the pay.

 

[marine1]

What a bloody joke

 

[waynegohl]

And the farce continues.

Now they want to investigate police tampering at the Marikana crime scene. Whilst they have police footage showing bodies with weapons and the same bodies without weapons I would love to know if they will investigate who removed the bullet casings that were put in a plastic bag and shown to Jacob Zuma when he visited the scene and spoke to the miners? If the miners collected bullet casings to help their cause then they were quite capable to remove panga's and other traditional weapons FROM the crime scene.

 

[fonoi]

And the farce continues.

Now they want to investigate police tampering at the Marikana crime scene. Whilst they have police footage showing bodies with weapons and the same bodies without weapons I would love to know if they will investigate who removed the bullet casings that were put in a plastic bag and shown to Jacob Zuma when he visited the scene and spoke to the miners? If the miners collected bullet casings to help their cause then they were quire capable to remove panga's and other traditional weapons FROM the crime scene.

You realise that makes absolutly no sense, the picture without the weapons was taken hours before the ones with the weapons. So in your version of events, the miners tooks the weapons away then the police hours later put them back. Occam's razor disagrees with you.

 

[waynegohl]

You realise that makes absolutly no sense, the picture without the weapons was taken hours before the ones with the weapons. So in your version of events, the miners tooks the weapons away then the police hours later put them back. Occam's razor disagrees with you.

You may be 100% correct but they want to investigate evidence tampering which is obviously pointing at the police but the miners tampered with evidence themselves and that should also be looked at before they point fingers at the police.

 

[fonoi]

You may be 100% correct but they want to investigate evidence tampering which is obviously pointing at the police but the miners tampered with evidence themselves and that should also be looked at before they point fingers at the police.

You are correct, if there was tampering of evidence by the miners that also will need to be investigated. The questions I would like answered are why the police were unable to control access to the scene after killing 34 miners. I know if I was a miner, I would not be going anywhere near the police after that happened.

It is possible that some policeman went around collecting the evidence before it was photographed due to a misunderstanding, but in either case the police are guilty of being negligent.

I find it highly strange that the police had the team of photographers (crime scene I hope) on standby before the shooting occoured (They were told they were to take photos of weapons confiscated after the miners were disarmed). They apparently waited 8 hours at a staging area, before being brought to take the photo's.

 

[Fudzy]

Damning new footage of Marikana shooting

But the footage taken by the officers shows that most of the miners died a “few hundred metres away” from where the media was, Channel 4 reports.

“The [miners] had fled here after the initial shooting, seeking sanctuary,” the reporter states.

In the police video, an officer is heard shouting “wait, don’t shoot. Don’t shoot him!” after a miner was seen running past police. Seconds later, gunfire rings out.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Damning-new-footage-of-Marikana-shooting-20130128

I think the video is at the bottom of the article, blocked at work. This seems quite damning indeed.

 

[azbob]

Why are policemen filming during a shootout? :erm:

 

[Fudzy]

Why are policemen filming during a shootout? :erm:

Figuratively shooting himself in the foot.

 

[GhostSixFour]

Why are policemen filming during a shootout? :erm:

What else do you use those GoPro's for?

 

[Fulcrum29]

Who named it Killing “Koppie”?

That video does not identify who shot first. It is reported out of the media perspective with footage taken by a police officer.

 

[daveza]

How does this video change anything re what we already knew ?

 

[Type RSA]

Still think they got what they were looking for. Well done SAPS

 

[Fudzy]

How does this video change anything re what we already knew ?

Which part? The group that stormed the police had it coming to them but these guys seemed to have been gunned down after that.

 

[Type RSA]

Which part? The group that stormed the police had it coming to them but these guys seemed to have been gunned down after that.

How do we know for sure? This video only showed what happened after they were shot?

 

[ISP cash cow]

I don't see anything different in that footage that would lead to it being classed as damning.

 

[Fudzy]

How do we know for sure? This video only showed what happened after they were shot?

As I said, haven't seen the video yet. I'm just going on what was written in the article. It seems to imply these guys were shot after the intial shooting.

 

[Nerfherder]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Damning-new-footage-of-Marikana-shooting-20130128

I think the video is at the bottom of the article, blocked at work. This seems quite damning indeed.

João Silva reported about those deaths at the time, but didn't offer any explanation.

The question is who killed them ? There is no real evidence that it was the police though.... so its this third force again.

Just points towards instigators... WHO THE HELL ARE THEY ?

Why are policemen filming during a shootout?

Well so that hey can show their side of the story when they have to account for what they did... its standard procedure.