Mass stabbing on UK train

Sinbad said:
Farage was one of the driving forces behind the brexit vote. The negotiation ****up was just the cherry on the cake.

You really need to stop mentally fellating the worst politicians.
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Facts are facts. You can't blame Farage for the Brexit negotiations. End of story. I'm not debating this point further.
 
wingnut771 said:
Can you answer the question please?
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How about YOU clarify why you think the number of arrivals went from 100 to 25000?

Maybe Google the dictionary definition of the word "deterrent".
 
Sinbad said:
Farage was one of the driving forces behind the brexit vote. The negotiation ****up was just the cherry on the cake.

You really need to stop mentally fellating the worst politicians.
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vigras rojara said:
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This is exactly the problem I tried to highlight earlier and you’ve just proved it. People have concerns and they are not being addressed by the mainstream parties so they end up with Reform and are instantly categorised as far right and the same mainstream categorise them as you’ve just done. It’s ridiculous.
 
Spizz said:
This is exactly the problem I tried to highlight earlier and you’ve just proved it. People have concerns and they are not being addressed by the mainstream parties so they end up with Reform and are instantly categorised as far right and the same mainstream categorise them as you’ve just done. It’s ridiculous.
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It's the likes of Reform who amplify legitimate problems in order to gain support.

They lack the integrity, intention or ability to actually do anything about it. They can't even run a council properly, for heavens sake.
 
Spizz said:
… for now!
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"Carrying a knife in public can already get you up to four years in prison, and the government said knife murders had dropped by 18 percent in the last year."
 
vigras rojara said:
It's the likes of Reform who amplify legitimate problems in order to gain support.

They lack the integrity, intention or ability to actually do anything about it. They can't even run a council properly, for heavens sake.
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Exactly. Reform are the beneficiaries of the mainstream parties failing to listen and act on the concerns of ordinary people and that is further exacerbated by people like you calling them far right and racists. So the conversation is simply not being had.
 
vigras rojara said:
For sure - I've never said it isn't a problem. I totally agree that it is.

But the solution isn't the far right either. They caused the issue to escalate and now rely on shouting populist rhetoric to gain support, when they themselves know they are utterly incompetent to do anything about it.

Their strategy is working though, as it did with Brexit. You only have to look at the UK Politics thread. We have had some neo-Nazis jailed for terrorism offences during the last couple of weeks. A Glasgow paedo gang sent to jail (all locals). Plenty of other events too. Nobody says a word. Not even a murmur. The minute there's something that involves the "usual suspects", it's paraded around triumphantly and the pages run for days.

Right wingers aren't concerned about crime, they're concerned about crime when the perpetrators suit their narrative.
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Yeah the far right tend to favor indiscriminate racist solutions like Trump and maga are doing.
 
Spizz said:
Exactly. Reform are the beneficiaries of the mainstream parties failing to listen and act on the concerns of ordinary people and that is further exacerbated by people like you calling them far right and racists. So the conversation is simply not being had.
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They are far right and racist. If they don't want to be called that, perhaps they should act differently.

It is utterly dishonest of them to escalate a problem that they can't solve, in order to enrich their leadership and sponsors. It's Brexit all over again and the people who were fooled once, are being fooled twice. And you know what they say about those.
 
vigras rojara said:
They are far right and racist. If they don't want to be called that, perhaps they should act differently.

It is utterly dishonest of them to escalate a problem that they can't solve, in order to enrich their leadership and sponsors. It's Brexit all over again and the people who were fooled once, are being fooled twice. And you know what they say about those.
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You’re exactly proving my point. I’m talking about the voters who Reform are attracting, people concerned about unchecked immigration and instead of having a conversation you are calling them far right racists.

Man, I’ve been a bit of a lefty all my life but watching this schit show unfold and the sheer ineptness of the Tories and Labour to deal with it makes me scratch my head at how it gets defended by people like you attacking the man and completely missing the ball.
 
vigras rojara said:
They are far right and racist. If they don't want to be called that, perhaps they should act differently.

It is utterly dishonest of them to escalate a problem that they can't solve, in order to enrich their leadership and sponsors. It's Brexit all over again and the people who were fooled once, are being fooled twice. And you know what they say about those.
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The time has passed for people to care if you call them racists , nazi's , bigots , fascists and what ever name the left come up with
 
Supt John Loveless says armed officers boarded the train and arrested two people within eight minutes of the 999 calls.

There are two men in police custody.

They are a 32-year-old male black British male and 35-year-old British national of Caribbean descent.
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All things considered, the police response time remains impressive
 
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