[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

[daveza]

Still no info on how foreign vehicles will be charged or is it only locals that have to pay ?

 

[Sinbad]

So if u have an account, but no e-tag and pay within 7days do u get the full discount?

.2 In respect of an a -toll transaction-
3.2.1 a registered e-tag user pays the tariff set out in Column 3 of Table 1 for the particular
class of motor vehicle;
3.2.2 a non-registered e-tag user pays the tariff set out in Column 4 of Table 1 for the
particular class of motor vehicle;
3.2.3 a registered VLN user pays the tariff set out in Column 5 of Table 1 for the particular
class of motor vehicle; and
3.2.4 an alternate user pays the tariff set out in Column 6 of Table 1 for the particular class
of motor vehicle.


1, Barbet (N1-21) R 3.48 R 1.80 R 3.48 R 3.48 R 10.44



Interesting - these tarriffs INCLUDE VAT. I thought you were not allowed to charge VAT without presenting a valid tax invoice?

 

[LazyLion]

JPSA seeks clarity on e-toll prosecutions

The intended processes for prosecuting those who do not pay Gauteng e-tolls are unclear, Justice Project SA (JPSA) said on Friday.

This lack of clarity on the matter from the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral) and the transport department led to the public and the media approaching JPSA for this information, spokesman Howard Dembovsky said in a statement.

There had also been a "deafening silence" from the National Prosecuting Authority on the matter.

"Unfortunately, we have been unable to provide much more than an educated guess on this matter, since the intended prosecution of e-toll transgressions does not appear to be following the same procedures as the prosecution of other road traffic and toll transgressions..."

So far, only an undefined debt collection process prior to prosecution had been mentioned, Dembovsky said.

"Due to the unfortunate dissemination of confusing information we have been left with little choice but to instruct our attorneys to write to the relevant authorities to seek clarity on the matter..."

If this was not forthcoming by noon on Friday JPSA's attorneys would approach the high court for clarity.

The letter was addressed to Sanral CEO Nazir Alli, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters, Justice Minister Jeff Radebe, and National Director of Public Prosecutions Mxolisi Nxasana.

The letter asked for details of the exact legal and administrative processes that would be followed for the collection of e-tolls and against those who did not pay.

JPSA also wanted to know whether failure to buy an e-tag would be a criminal offence, whether such motorists would be arrested, and if so, what legislation backed this. In addition, whether conviction for not paying e-tolls could result in a prison sentence.

It also asked whether non-payment could result in motorists being blacklisted.

Last week, Peters announced that e-tolling on Gauteng highways would come into effect on December 3.

The move has sparked widespread opposition, with trade unions and political parties vowing to explore all possible avenues to resist e-tolling.


Source : Sapa /mjs/fg/jk
Date : 29 Nov 2013 08:09

 

[Heisenborg]

.2 In respect of an a -toll transaction-
3.2.1 a registered e-tag user pays the tariff set out in Column 3 of Table 1 for the particular
class of motor vehicle;
3.2.2 a non-registered e-tag user pays the tariff set out in Column 4 of Table 1 for the
particular class of motor vehicle;
3.2.3 a registered VLN user pays the tariff set out in Column 5 of Table 1 for the particular
class of motor vehicle; and
3.2.4 an alternate user pays the tariff set out in Column 6 of Table 1 for the particular class
of motor vehicle.


1, Barbet (N1-21) R 3.48 R 1.80 R 3.48 R 3.48 R 10.44



Interesting - these tarriffs INCLUDE VAT. I thought you were not allowed to charge VAT without presenting a valid tax invoice?

Is that a yes or no

 

[Sinbad]

Is that a yes or no

Unregistered tag pays the "standard" rate, not the discounted rate.

 

[Heisenborg]

Unregistered tag pays the "standard" rate, not the discounted rate.

ok thx, thought as much, they want our bank details for full discount basically

 

[Sinbad]

ok thx, thought as much, they want our bank details for full discount basically

No, you don't need to give bank details. You can register on a prepaid basis.

 

[grok]

I just love the terms and conditions!

So SANRAL admit that the system may bill you incorrectly but they are not responsible.
I can't wait till the idiots who sign up for e-tags are billed incorrectly.

So were really between a rock and a hard place .. we're not prepared to sign a contract with Sanral due to their unaccpetable T's & C's, yet if we don't accept the T's & C's we're being forced to pay the 10x price?

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

No, you don't need to give bank details. You can register on a prepaid basis.

do you do that when you register initially with SANRAL?
and how do you top up?

 

[Sinbad]

do you do that when you register initially with SANRAL?
and how do you top up?

By EFT, cash at one of their shops, credit card, etc.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Still no info on how foreign vehicles will be charged or is it only locals that have to pay ?

Only locals AFAIK, according to interview with Sanral on Jacaranda.

 

[AlphaBravo]

So were really between a rock and a hard place .. we're not prepared to sign a contract with Sanral due to their unaccpetable T's & C's, yet if we don't accept the T's & C's we're being forced to pay the 10x price?

I'm still unclear on whether the pre-paid/top-up option is discounted or not. On Sanral website it states that you get discount but according to the government gazette (link on Sanral website) only those registered (accepted T&C) will get discount?

 

[Heisenborg]

No, you don't need to give bank details. You can register on a prepaid basis.

A registered non-e-tagged prepaid user is classified as a registered VLN user and u pay double u pay if u had an e-tag

 

[Heisenborg]

I'm still unclear on whether the pre-paid/top-up option is discounted or not. On Sanral website it states that you get discount but according to the government gazette (link on Sanral website) only those registered (accepted T&C) will get discount?

Yeah i dont see prepaid getting a discount according to the pdf

 

[Abe]

How would you lose your house?

They can attach property to recover a debt and depending on the amount of that debt, it could mean that one has to sell their house.

 

[Wyzak]

You can.
If you have an etag and pay within 7 days you qualify for the etag discount, even if your account isn't registered. Or something.

Mmm that is interesting. How would they associate the e-tag with your vehicle then if you are not registered? I don't suppose their system is clever enough to scan your license plate as you drive through, detect the e-tag and connect one and two.

Unregistered tag pays the "standard" rate, not the discounted rate.

It is unclear from your post which columns are which, but if my understanding is correct you pay the same rate with an unregistered e-tag as without it (the standard rate of R3.48 for that gantry). So that again makes it pointless. Why pay R50 for something which brings no value? You probably won't qualify for the R50 credit if you don't register.

So were really between a rock and a hard place .. we're not prepared to sign a contract with Sanral due to their unaccpetable T's & C's, yet if we don't accept the T's & C's we're being forced to pay the 10x price?

Yes, they are discriminating against our rights by forcing us to sign away our rights in order to qualify for the best pricing. The difference between registered e-tag and not is about double (not 10x) at least that is if you pay within 7 days (without an invoice). Then it roughly doubles after the first month, and then doubles again after the next month. That's how you end up at the 10x price.

 

[Sinbad]

It is unclear from your post which columns are which, but if my understanding is correct you pay the same rate with an unregistered e-tag as without it (the standard rate of R3.48 for that gantry). So that again makes it pointless. Why pay R50 for something which brings no value? You probably won't qualify for the R50 credit if you don't register.

I agree. Never said it meant sense to do it, just that it is catered for in their plans.

 

[Albereth]

They can attach property to recover a debt and depending on the amount of that debt, it could mean that one has to sell their house.

I somehow think that the courts don't allow this.

 

[Heisenborg]

Examples

Standard tariff
R 3.48

Tariff to be paid by registered etag users
R 1.80

Tariff to be paid by nonregistered e-tag users
R 3.48

Tariff to be paid by registered VLN users (Prepaid i guess?)
R 3.48

Tariff to be paid by alternate users
R 10.44

 

[Albereth]

I agree. Never said it meant sense to do it, just that it is catered for in their plans.

So you can collapse the system under the administrative weight and at the lower rate?