[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Didn't they postpone the "passage" of the bill a week ago?

Yes, just shows you how determined they were to ram it through despite whatever problems it may have.
Now you can expect the bill to face massive legal challenges.
It's an extremely problematic piece of legislation.
 
More Churches resist e-tolls

More churches have come out against the e-tolling of Gauteng's highways and the impact it will have on members and religious activities.

The Dutch Reformed Church said on Thursday it was extremely concerned about the cost of these tolls.

Prof Nelus Niemandt, the chair of the Dutch Reformed Church general synod, welcomed the Catholic Church's research into e-tolling.

"We support it. E-tolling poses a moral, ethical dilemma. There has been a huge investment in capital expenditure and now they have to e-toll just to pay for that."

Niemandt said the matter would be raised at the next church committee meeting in July.

He said it would consider the position taken by the Southern African Catholic Bishops' Conference (SACBC) to denounce the buying of e-tags.

"We also support the SACBC on the call for a judicial inquiry. We call on a proper inquiry wholeheartedly."

Darren Sevitz, CEO of the Union of Orthodox Synagogues, said e-tolling would have a practical impact on the organisation and consumers of kosher products.

"Kosher certification is a major part of our business, which requires a physical inspection of food processing plants around the country," Sevitz said.

"At some point we have got to send inspectors in their cars to make sure manufacturers are complying with what is on their kosher certificate. We are concerned that travel costs will increase significantly... because we spend thousands of hours and tens and hundreds of thousands of kilometres on the road."

Sevitz said they had not bought e-tags yet and had made no decision in that regard.

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa (ELCSA) said it always considered the socio-economic problems facing its members. ELCSA general secretary Rev Bheki Mathe said the church would discuss its stance on e-tolling and alternative solutions at a bi-annual church council meeting on Sunday.

The main concern was the economic impact on poorer people.

"Simple people who don't even get good or fair salaries will be highly affected, because e-tolls come with their own challenges, such as increases of petrol, which will affect bus or taxi fares," he said.

He said church members would feel the pinch in their pockets because they had to travel from outside the province, and even the country, to church meetings.

Central Methodist Church Bishop Paul Verryn agreed on Wednesday that the proposed e-tolling system would adversely affect already economically struggling South Africans. He would propose a resolution for the Methodist Church to support the Catholic Church in denouncing e-tolling.

"I will be proposing at our synod to be held this week in Ithuseng, Rustenburg, that the church should move and support the Catholic Church in opposing the system.

"For me the difficulty is that this is a system which taxes even the poorest of the poor. People trying to make ends meet would be affected by the toll," said Verryn.

The Apostolic Faith Mission of SA had not yet considered a stance on e-tolling.

"All I can say at this stage is that we would allow our members to act according to their own conscience and conviction. We are not prescribing or giving specific direction regarding it," the mission's president Isak Burger said.

The Southern African Catholic Bishops' Conference's justice and peace department said on Monday it supported Outa in its case against e-tolling, to be heard by the Supreme Court of Appeal (SCA) in September.

"We... call for the immediate suspension of the GFIP [Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project] e-tolling project and a full-access review of it by an appropriate forum (the Public Protector, the Auditor General or a judicial inquiry)," it said in a statement.

The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) on Tuesday applauded the Catholic Church's stance against the e-tolling of Gauteng highways.

"This denouncement of e-tolling by the church was clearly conducted after significant research and an introspective assessment of the pros and cons of e-tolling," Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage said in statement.

In April, the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) said it would begin e-tolling on Gauteng roads within two months.

In April last year, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be implemented.

The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of a review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order. In September, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order. In December, the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolling.

The court granted Outa leave on January 25 to take the matter to the SCA in Bloemfontein.


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Date : 23 May 2013 16:32
 
A few years back when these crooks got together I wonder if they really thought the SA public would just say yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir and open their wallets.
 
By keeping these booths, and workers operational they ate showing how much money is wasted on admin that isn't needed or have started yet.
 
No Decision on e-toll protest

Cosatu was still contemplating by late Thursday afternoon whether to go ahead with a drive-slow protest against the e-tolling of Gauteng freeways.

"We are still trying to get a decision on whether it will go ahead legally," spokesman Patrick Craven said in Johannesburg.

"We are just waiting for a decision."

By 5pm, the Congress of SA Trade Unions had failed to get permission for the drive-slow, planned for Friday.

"Authorisation has not been given," said Johannesburg metro police chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar.

Permission was not granted because at Cosatu's previous motorcade, protesters had stopped and walked on the freeway, which was in contravention of the National Road Traffic Act.

All law enforcement agencies would be on standby to ensure the protest did not go ahead on Friday, said Minnaar.

Earlier this week, the union's Gauteng secretary Dumisani Dakile said it would embark on a go-slow drive to bring the province's highways to a standstill against the planned e-tolling in the province.

The planned motorcade was to be held on the M1 north, N1 south, N12, and M2 north highways in Johannesburg.

In December, the N3 highway was briefly closed when protesting motorists parked their cars sideways and started dancing on the road during a similar drive-slow motorcade.

On Thursday evening, the Freedom Front Plus said it believed the e-toll system was unconstitutional and urged the public not to buy e-tags.

"By not buying a tag, the public can ensure that the e-toll system fails," said the party's parliamentary spokesman Anton Alberts in a statement.

FFPlus said it supported any action opposing the system.

Electronic tolling is due to be implemented soon.

On April 11, the SA National Roads Agency Limited announced it would be rolled out within the next two months.

In April last year, the High Court in Pretoria granted the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) an interdict approving a full judicial review before e-tolling could be put into effect.

The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of the review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.

In September, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order, and in December the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolling.

On January 25, the court granted Outa leave to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal (SCA) in Bloemfontein.

The SCA hearing will take place in September.


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Date : 23 May 2013 19:28
 
Can someone tell me if the same National Road Traffic Act applies to protesters on the N2 near the airport here in Cape Town because that to is a freeway and it is illegal for pedestrians to walk on a freeway? Do protesters in Cape Town automatically have permission to protest when they see fit?
 
COSATU getting impatient

Cosatu is getting impatient with authorities and will continue to wage war against e-tolls, its Gauteng secretary Dumisani Dakile said on Friday.

"What they are doing is trying to provoke us... the patience is running out. If they want another Marikana we will give it to them on a silver platter," Dakile told a group of protesters outside the trade union federation's Johannesburg headquarters in Braamfontein.

The group included representatives from the Treatment Action Campaign, Bikers Against E-tolls, and the Southern African Catholic Bishops Conference.

The Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Thursday dismissed Cosatu's application for a go-slow protest on Johannesburg's highways. It approached the court after metro police refused it permission.

Dakile said Johannesburg metro police had asked for an upfront payment of R2 million for the protest to go ahead.

"We have never paid money in order to exercise our constitutional right. We are not prepared to pay even half a cent... let them go to hell."

According to Dakile metro police told Cosatu it had a sworn statement stating there would be violence at the march.

"We have had many marches, peaceful marches. That is their plan to stop us."

The trade union federation was meeting Ekurhuleni officials at 3pm on Friday to discuss plans to protest on May 31.

"We want to know about their decision by Monday, so that we can know what action to take."

The Ekurhuleni march would see thousands block the N3, N12, the R24 and the R21, he said.

"If no permission is granted, even if we had gone through all legal processes, Cosatu will go ahead with the protests."


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Date : 24 May 2013 11:11
 
E-toll Protestors take to streets

A group of protesters at Cosatu's Johannesburg headquaters took to marching down an adjacent street on Friday morning as they waited for feedback from officials.

The group of around 50 sang anti-e-toll slogans and marched up and down Simmonds Street in Braamfontein.

Members of the Johannesburg metro police, the SA Police Service and provincial traffic officials kept a watchful eye.

Congress of SA Trade Unions' Gauteng chairman Phutas Tseki was expected to brief the protesters soon.

The trade union federation was deciding whether to go ahead with a drive-slow protest on the city's highways. The Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Thursday dismissed its application to do so. Cosatu approached the court after metro police refused it permission.


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Date : 24 May 2013 09:54
 
E-toll protestors disperse

A group of protesters who had gathered outside Cosatu headquarters on Friday morning dispersed after the march against e-tolls was cancelled.

The group, clad in Congress of SA Trade Unions colours, had been singing anti-e-toll slogans outside the offices throughout the morning.

They marched up and down the adjacent Simmonds Street under the watchful eye of members of the Johannesburg metro police, the SA Police Service, and provincial traffic officials.

The Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Thursday dismissed Cosatu's application to embark on a drive-slow protest on the city's highways.

Cosatu approached the court after metro police refused it permission for the protest.

Cosatu Gauteng secretary Dumisani Dakile told the protesters that the campaign against e-tolls in the province would intensify.

"We respect the law, but if other people are going to manipulate it, then we will defy [it]."

He accused the JMPD of "deliberately" halting the march by not granting permission to do so.

The union federation is set to meet with Ekhuruleni Metro officials at 3pm today to discuss another anti-e-toll protest planned for March 31 at the metro, said Dakile.


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Date : 24 May 2013 11:31
 
Metro Police Dispute R2 Million claim

The Congress of SA Trade Unions was asked to make an upfront payment of R200,000 for the planned protest against e-tolls and not R2 million, the Johannesburg metro police said on Friday.

"It was R200,000, not R2 million," said spokesman Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar.

Minnaar said the charge was a monetary guarantee for protection against potential damage.

He said they did not always charge for protests.

"We charge only if we are of the view that there might be damage or injury during the protest."

The decision to charge Cosatu was based on their previous protest against e-tolls.

Cosatu Gauteng secretary Dumisani Dakile told protesters on Friday that the JMPD had asked for an upfront payment of R2 million for the e-toll protest to go ahead.

"We have never paid money in order to exercise our constitutional right. We are not prepared to pay even half a cent... let them go to hell."

According to Dakile metro police also told Cosatu it had a sworn statement stating there would be violence at the march.

"We have had many marches, peaceful marches. That is their plan to stop us."

Cosatu's application to embark on a drive-slow protest on the city's highways was dismissed by the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Thursday.

Cosatu approached the court after the JMPD refused it permission for the protest.

In December, the N3 highway was briefly closed when protesting motorists parked their cars and danced during a similar drive-slow motorcade.

Earlier this week, Dakile said the motorcade was planned for the M1 north, N1 south, N12, and M2 north highways in Johannesburg.

The march was called off.


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Date : 24 May 2013 12:40
 
Give Feedback on Public Hearings: OUTA

The Opposition To Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) on Monday called for feedback on the last public hearings on e-tolls.

"Outa calls on Sanral and department of transport to provide feedback from the last round of public engagement sessions held in November 2012 and calls on the authorities to host another round of public discussions to review the latest array of regulations," said Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage.

On Sunday, the department and the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral) said the implementation of e-tolls was imminent.

"There are a few steps left in this process, but the implementation of the e-toll system is well on its way," Sanral head Nazir Alli said in a statement.

Draft regulations and notices were published in the Government Gazette on Friday, detailing how the tolls would work.

This was preceded by the National Council of Provinces' approval on Wednesday of an amendment bill necessary to introduce e-tolling.

Only two more legal steps had to be completed: the public had 30 days to comment on the draft documents gazetted, and President Jacob Zuma had to sign the amendment bill into law.

"We have followed all due process and have all the necessary infrastructure in place to commence," said Alli.

Outa said government had not engaged the public adequately.

"We are not surprised and have come to expect this lack of open communication and transparency from Sanral, a state-owned enterprise that has ignored the input, insights, and will of the people for too long," Duvenage said.


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Date : 27 May 2013 10:35
 
"We have followed all due process and have all the necessary infrastructure in place to commence," said Alli.

just because you believe that you've followed all due process (which is another SCAMRAL lie) doesn't mean we're going to let you bend us over for a shafting
 
haven't seen this anywhere yet

The latest array of GFIP regulations were released on Friday, 24thMay and once again without any public notification or announcement to the general public. On such an emotive matter, one would think their web site would have clear links on their home page and advertisements in the press, inviting the public to comment on these proposed tariffs and regulations. “We are not surprised and have come to expect this lack of open communication and transparency from SANRAL,a state owned enterprise that has ignored the input, insights and will of the people for too long” comments Wayne Duvenage, Chairperson of OUTA.

The new tariffs have had little change from the previous notices, besides a reduction of the R550 cap by R100 per month to R450 for cars (Class A2). They will no doubt try to sell this as a massive gain for society in an attempt to win the hearts and minds of a public that is now much wiser to their antics than SANRAL gives them credit for. Recently, SANRAL have indicated that 96,3% of users will pay under R300, in an attempt to lure the road-users into “getting tagged” as they put it. This use of averages is very misleading, as the amount due by thousands of regular commuters from Tshwane to Johannesburg or from West to East will be well over R300 per month. If this high percentage of users will pay less than R300, why not then lower the maximum to R300? Clearly SANRAL expects a significant portion of their revenue to come from those users who exceed the R300 threshold and hence the modest decrease to only R450’.

“We are also interested to know how SANRAL arrived at the R100 reduction and how they feel this has addressed the thousands of objections from road users” says Duvenage. Furthermore, OUTA calls on SANRAL and Department of Transport to provide feedback from the last round of public engagement sessions held in November 2012 and calls on the authorities to host another round of public discussions to review the latest array of regulations.

Despite the clear rejection by virtually all sectors of society, the Government continues to forge ahead to ram this ill-conceived plan into being, backed by an illogical argument of a “selective” user pays model. “What they blindly ignore is the fact that Gauteng road users are angry about being charged twice for their roads (fuel levies & general taxes plus tolls) and are further punished by paying VAT on the toll charges,” says Duvenage.

This weekend’s press quoted, SANRAL’s Mr Nazir Alli saying that “tolling is a sustainable way of paying for the upgrade of the Gauteng freeway system”. Yet Gauteng road users will fork out almost as much to pay for the collection process as it is to pay for the road upgrade (including interest), which makes it an extremely expensive and irrational, in a city where alternative transport and routes are virtually non-existent. SANRAL’s eToll processes will never have full compliance and is being subjected to a growing opposition that will not stand for this outrageous abuse of their rights. Against this backdrop, how on earth anyone can envisage their eToll plan to be sustainable is beyond belief and if road funding was based on the efficient, zero admin costs and 100% compliant fuel levy, these kinds of problems would fall away.

In the draft eToll Regulations, OUTA also notes that ‘the Agency may follow criminal or civil process to collect all outstanding tolls’ which again gives no clarity on how the authorities intend prosecuting the non-payment of eTolls. OUTA believes that SANRAL will continue to push for implementation at all costs even though the enforcement procedures by implication have not been finalized.

http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-continues-to-ignore-public-on-etolls-outa/
 
anc is going to be scrapped because of etoll.

charge man, charge now!!! anc government is going to collapse as soon as implementation of etoll.

:D :D :D

would be awesome!!!

It's beyond me , how they force this ahead even with people protesting/complaining/showing it's a crap idea ...
 
anc is going to be scrapped because of etoll.

charge man, charge now!!! anc government is going to collapse as soon as implementation of etoll.

:D :D :D

I seriously doubt e-tolling will cause the collapse of the government, however, there's a good chance it may impact their ability to keep Gauteng in next year's elections
 
I unfortunately doubt it, as the poor and uneducated will still vote for the ANC as they won't see the tolls as effecting them, as it would be a richer mans problem.
 
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