[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Gauteng drivers should register for e-tags now to avoid the rush
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Having an e-tag in your car is just asking for it to be vandalised.
 
Wyzak said:
Having an e-tag in your car is just asking for it to be vandalised.
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Or stolen ...
If you steal an e-tag (which is registered to someone else) you can rack up a nice bill against someone else's name.
At the end of the day they will face huge bills and have to defend themselves in court against a criminal charge.
No thank you. There's yet another incentive for me to not get an e-tag.
 
Paul_S said:
Or stolen ...
If you steal an e-tag (which is registered to someone else) you can rack up a nice bill against someone else's name.
At the end of the day they will face huge bills and have to defend themselves in court against a criminal charge.
No thank you. There's yet another incentive for me to not get an e-tag.
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Same possibilities for cloned/stolen number plates.
 
Sinbad said:
Same possibilities for cloned/stolen number plates.
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At least with cloned/stolen plates it will be easier to prove it was not your vehicle since you can see the driver's face or the type or colour of the vehicle does not match.
With a stolen e-tag you better hope that SANRAL can provide a photo otherwise you're going to have fun proving that it was not your vehicle.
 
Paul_S said:
At least with cloned/stolen plates it will be easier to prove it was not your vehicle since you can see the driver's face or the type or colour of the vehicle does not match.
With a stolen e-tag you better hope that SANRAL can provide a photo otherwise you're going to have fun proving that it was not your vehicle.
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Surely they'd have to provide the photo as evidence? Innocent until proven guilty...?
 
Paul_S said:
At least with cloned/stolen plates it will be easier to prove it was not your vehicle since you can see the driver's face or the type or colour of the vehicle does not match.
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Unless the colour of the vehicle and type of vehicle does match, then you will be treated as a criminal and it will be a massive fight for them to even pay any attention to you :) Just think of the municipal billing errors, pay first and then we'll investigate.

No thanks, no e-tag for me.

Sinbad said:
Surely they'd have to provide the photo as evidence? Innocent until proven guilty...?
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If you read the T&C of the e-tag you waiver all of those rights.
 
Wyzak said:
Unless the colour of the vehicle and type of vehicle does match, then you will be treated as a criminal and it will be a massive fight for them to even pay any attention to you :) Just think of the municipal billing errors, pay first and then we'll investigate.

No thanks, no e-tag for me.
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Thank goodness SEAT pulled out ;)
 
Sinbad said:
Surely they'd have to provide the photo as evidence? Innocent until proven guilty...?
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Have you read the e-tag contract?

Section F Point 4:
4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags
As far as the law allows, including as far as is allowed by section 51 of the Consumer Protection Act, we and our representatives are not responsible for any loss or damages you suffer because of lost, stolen or faulty e-tags. This does not limit our responsibility to replace, for free, any e-tag that is faulty where the fault was caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

In ‘3. Lost, stolen or faulty e-tags’ and ‘4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags’ above:
a. Our responsibility to you and our risk are limited; and
b. Our representatives’ responsibility to you and our representatives’ risk are limited; and
c. You take on the responsibility and risk of a lost or stolen e-tag; and
d. You take on the responsibility and risk if the e-tag was not fitted according to our instructions or if the e-tag is faulty and the fault was not caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

An example of the type of risk you take on is that we might not be able to recognise the e-tag when you pass under an e-toll plaza so you might be responsible for a higher toll tariff.
These are not the only risks or responsibilities. This also means the rights and remedies you have against us are limited.
You also do not have a claim against us for loss or damages:
a. If you suffer loss or damages because of the use of an e-tag; or
b. If the e-tag is lost, stolen or faulty (depending on the cause of the fault); or
c. If the e-tag is abused or is faulty because it was not used according to our instructions.
 
Paul_S said:
Have you read the e-tag contract?

Section F Point 4:
4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags
As far as the law allows, including as far as is allowed by section 51 of the Consumer Protection Act, we and our representatives are not responsible for any loss or damages you suffer because of lost, stolen or faulty e-tags. This does not limit our responsibility to replace, for free, any e-tag that is faulty where the fault was caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

In ‘3. Lost, stolen or faulty e-tags’ and ‘4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags’ above:
a. Our responsibility to you and our risk are limited; and
b. Our representatives’ responsibility to you and our representatives’ risk are limited; and
c. You take on the responsibility and risk of a lost or stolen e-tag; and
d. You take on the responsibility and risk if the e-tag was not fitted according to our instructions or if the e-tag is faulty and the fault was not caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

An example of the type of risk you take on is that we might not be able to recognise the e-tag when you pass under an e-toll plaza so you might be responsible for a higher toll tariff.
These are not the only risks or responsibilities. This also means the rights and remedies you have against us are limited.
You also do not have a claim against us for loss or damages:
a. If you suffer loss or damages because of the use of an e-tag; or
b. If the e-tag is lost, stolen or faulty (depending on the cause of the fault); or
c. If the e-tag is abused or is faulty because it was not used according to our instructions.
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Holy ****.
 
Yes, waive and not waiver :D

And let's not forget those are the updated T&Cs. Most of the 600k existing e-tags were signed under the previous T&C which was far more draconian.
 
Paul_S said:
Have you read the e-tag contract?

Section F Point 4:
4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags
As far as the law allows, including as far as is allowed by section 51 of the Consumer Protection Act, we and our representatives are not responsible for any loss or damages you suffer because of lost, stolen or faulty e-tags. This does not limit our responsibility to replace, for free, any e-tag that is faulty where the fault was caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

In ‘3. Lost, stolen or faulty e-tags’ and ‘4. Limits to our responsibility arising from e-tags’ above:
a. Our responsibility to you and our risk are limited; and
b. Our representatives’ responsibility to you and our representatives’ risk are limited; and
c. You take on the responsibility and risk of a lost or stolen e-tag; and
d. You take on the responsibility and risk if the e-tag was not fitted according to our instructions or if the e-tag is faulty and the fault was not caused by us or the manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of the e-tag.

An example of the type of risk you take on is that we might not be able to recognise the e-tag when you pass under an e-toll plaza so you might be responsible for a higher toll tariff.
These are not the only risks or responsibilities. This also means the rights and remedies you have against us are limited.
You also do not have a claim against us for loss or damages:
a. If you suffer loss or damages because of the use of an e-tag; or
b. If the e-tag is lost, stolen or faulty (depending on the cause of the fault); or
c. If the e-tag is abused or is faulty because it was not used according to our instructions.
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Flipping hell.
 
An example of the type of risk you take on is that we might not be able to recognise the e-tag when you pass under an e-toll plaza so you might be responsible for a higher toll tariff.
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I'm guessing a LOT of unrecognised drive-thrus will be the order of the day.
 
Wyzak said:
Yes, waive and not waiver :D

And let's not forget those are the updated T&Cs. Most of the 600k existing e-tags were signed under the previous T&C which was far more draconian.
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A comment from a (possibly ex) friend of mine who has eTags:

I haven't read all the above, but if someone steals my e-tag and my number plates and sticks them on a white C Class I am in ***. The e-tag and the number plate are both read when passing through the gantry. If they correspond, the things beeps once and a charge goes through. If they don not match, as when I changed my NPS plates for GP when my license needed renewal, the thing beeps three times going through a gantry and the number plate car is charged. Every charge is supported by 4 (I think - maybe 2) photos which are available online, so I can see it was indeed my car. The photos are clear enough that most times I can see who is driving. So far, based on about two years of invoices and statements, I reckon the system works OK. This is not what I heard in the pub, it is first hand experience.
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Sinbad said:
A comment from a (possibly ex) friend of mine who has eTags:
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No friend of mine is tagged with the exception of those who had Bakwena e-tags before e-tolls were announced. :D
 
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