Thingyyyyyy
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where is this advertised as the address i want to log a complaint at the public protector
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[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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where is this advertised as the address i want to log a complaint at the public protector
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Thingyyyyyy
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The address we should use it is on page 3 or 18 of the government gazette. But that was May. the new one? I don't know
So let's get this straight...
If I don't buy an eTag (Which, I won't) but I continue to use the highways and I don't pay for the tolls, at all - it means SANRAL comes after me to pay and I end up in court, with a criminal record?
If I don't buy an eTag (Which, I won't) but I continue to use the highways and I don't pay for the tolls, at all - it means SANRAL comes after me to pay and I end up in court, with a criminal record?
Albereth
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It does raise some interesting questions though about what sort of decision making can take place.In a way the national government has decided upon a discriminatory process. They have said you people in Gauteng shall pay for your roads in this manner - etolls.
I don't have an issue with the GPG deciding what happens in our province (I may have a problem with their decision, but not them making a decision - does that make sense?).
If that's where it stops then we have been discriminated against - and that is unconstitutional.
Of course SANRAL will roll this crap out to everyone. And instead of just the poor gautengers paying more than is necessary, everyone will be paying more than is necessary. And that is just plain idiotic. Hopefully our constitution protects us against stupidity - well, more stupidity than we get from most voters.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Tolls are like toilets: Dipuo Peters
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2013/10/10/tolls-are-like-toilets-dipuo-peters
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2013/10/10/tolls-are-like-toilets-dipuo-peters
Thingyyyyyy
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
'Tolls are like Toilets' : Peters
The user-pays principle to be implemented on Gauteng's freeways is comparable to paying to use a toilet, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said on Thursday.
"Those who use a facility, you pay R1 or R2. Those toilets need to be maintained. Would you pay [to use a] dirty toilet?" she asked.
"Responsible citizens will pay for the open and smooth roads."
She was speaking at the SA Chamber of Commerce and Industry's (SACCI) annual convention in Midrand.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Appeal dismissed an Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance appeal against the implementation of e-tolls by the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral).
Increasing the fuel levy was not the answer to funding the expansion and maintenance of road infrastructure, Peters told an infrastructure plenary at the convention.
"Many people are talking about using taxes," she said.
"[The] fuel levy is not going to address our concerns... We cannot put it [the cost] into the fuel levy."
Given the amount of money government contributed to social grants, using the fiscus as a separate option to pay for road infrastructure would negatively affect the poor.
"Should we take that money away from poor children whose fathers have slept on work surfaces?" she asked.
The politicisation of e-tolls, specifically the user-pays principle, did not help anyone.
"It doesn't help us to play politics with infrastructure development," Peters said.
The Democratic Alliance recently erected billboards on the N1 and N3 highways reading: "E-tolls: Proudly Brought To You By The ANC".
The ruling African National Congress said it had noted the billboards, but declined to comment.
Peters later told reporters e-tolls would be operational by the end of the year.
Asked whether government had celebrated Wednesday's court ruling, she replied: "It's not about celebration... We just need to make sure to implement."
Earlier, the minister mentioned successful additions by government since 1994 to the country's transport infrastructure.
These included the Gautrain, widening Durban's harbour entrance, the Coega industrial zone near Port Elizabeth becoming fully operational, and the construction and renovation of several airports.
As government upgraded the country's rail infrastructure, manufacturing locomotives and rolling stock within South Africa was of paramount importance so jobs could be created.
"Localisation is the bedrock of all infrastructure features," the minister said.
Peters stressed the importance of the transport sector.
"Transport is the heartbeat of South Africa's economic growth."
This was especially true when it came to Gauteng, given how important the province was to those neighbouring it, hence why government had targeted it first for major road infrastructure improvements.
"If we don't develop Gauteng, people in other periphery provinces will say 'they can't even deal with Gauteng'," she said.
Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje/gq
Date : 10 Oct 2013 14:40
The user-pays principle to be implemented on Gauteng's freeways is comparable to paying to use a toilet, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said on Thursday.
"Those who use a facility, you pay R1 or R2. Those toilets need to be maintained. Would you pay [to use a] dirty toilet?" she asked.
"Responsible citizens will pay for the open and smooth roads."
She was speaking at the SA Chamber of Commerce and Industry's (SACCI) annual convention in Midrand.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Appeal dismissed an Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance appeal against the implementation of e-tolls by the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral).
Increasing the fuel levy was not the answer to funding the expansion and maintenance of road infrastructure, Peters told an infrastructure plenary at the convention.
"Many people are talking about using taxes," she said.
"[The] fuel levy is not going to address our concerns... We cannot put it [the cost] into the fuel levy."
Given the amount of money government contributed to social grants, using the fiscus as a separate option to pay for road infrastructure would negatively affect the poor.
"Should we take that money away from poor children whose fathers have slept on work surfaces?" she asked.
The politicisation of e-tolls, specifically the user-pays principle, did not help anyone.
"It doesn't help us to play politics with infrastructure development," Peters said.
The Democratic Alliance recently erected billboards on the N1 and N3 highways reading: "E-tolls: Proudly Brought To You By The ANC".
The ruling African National Congress said it had noted the billboards, but declined to comment.
Peters later told reporters e-tolls would be operational by the end of the year.
Asked whether government had celebrated Wednesday's court ruling, she replied: "It's not about celebration... We just need to make sure to implement."
Earlier, the minister mentioned successful additions by government since 1994 to the country's transport infrastructure.
These included the Gautrain, widening Durban's harbour entrance, the Coega industrial zone near Port Elizabeth becoming fully operational, and the construction and renovation of several airports.
As government upgraded the country's rail infrastructure, manufacturing locomotives and rolling stock within South Africa was of paramount importance so jobs could be created.
"Localisation is the bedrock of all infrastructure features," the minister said.
Peters stressed the importance of the transport sector.
"Transport is the heartbeat of South Africa's economic growth."
This was especially true when it came to Gauteng, given how important the province was to those neighbouring it, hence why government had targeted it first for major road infrastructure improvements.
"If we don't develop Gauteng, people in other periphery provinces will say 'they can't even deal with Gauteng'," she said.
Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje/gq
Date : 10 Oct 2013 14:40
Thingyyyyyy
Expert Member
in the year 2080 after they have messed up the case 50 times and you are so old you don't care
blunomore
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I got the same result:
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
[email protected]
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<[email protected]>:
host 10.123.21.27 [10.123.21.27]: 554 5.7.1 <[email protected]>:
Recipient address rejected: Access denied
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Department of Transport
That's what they want yes, but they can't give everybody criminal records. The courts also don't have time for this petty crap when they have murderers to throw in jail.
In addition, you won't get a criminal record unless they follow every procedure to the letter and they physically aren't capable of doing that due to cadre deployment.
Thingyyyyyy
Expert Member
She is as thick as she looks.
Thingyyyyyy
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Basically... yes.
But it also means that this is going to be challenged on a constitutional level so fast that Dipuo Peters won't have time to pull her broekies up from having made a wee wee on the dirty toilets.
Seriously
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reminds me of "Monkey see Monkey do"
Stupid moron, none of my family ever use a public toilet if they can help it because it's practically always dirty, pay or no pay.
But I can see why you reference toilets as there we have no choice. You have to pay in advance to get in and if you find it's dirty you cannot get your money back there is no recourse but complain and nothing would be done.
Then we get back to why using a toilet as example, must be that that's all your mindset can relate to in real life. You must be very experienced as minister in toilets and their uses. From the bush to the bucket system right up to the lavish toilet you use today thanx to the taxpayer. Not that you deserve your position as that was just handed to you due to your affiliation with the ANC not because you are qualified for the position neither are you skilled in real life for anything else than administering the corruption affairs of the governance of the day.
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Thingyyyyyy
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not working either
What stops them making an example of me - a user who travels 110 km of their highways every day?
Can you elaborate for me on this, please?
Challenged, per case or as a whole with the bill that showerhead signed last month?
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