Maynier booted from Parliament over Libya comments

[[Quattro]]

I think that it was stupid for Maynier to accuse Radebe.

South Africa is in the business of making weapons. And weapons were sold to Libya since 2000. Jeff has been been a Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development since 2009, to place such big accusation on one man's shoulders is quite retarded, stupid and inconsiderate.

Let's not pretend that no one died as of the result of airstrikes carried out by Allied Forces, or those victims did not have blood? Damn, some guys in DA are really stupid, I had so much hope for DA

What's next? Accusing the artisans at VW of blood on their hands because they work for a company that made Citi Golf?

+1

 

[Ancalagon]

I think that it was stupid for Maynier to accuse Radebe.

South Africa is in the business of making weapons. And weapons were sold to Libya since 2000. Jeff has been been a Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development since 2009, to place such big accusation on one man's shoulders is quite retarded, stupid and inconsiderate.

Didnt know that, in that case it doesnt make quite as much sense. Nonetheless, its now 2011, am I right in saying that shipments continued? If Radebe had stopped the sales, then I would be happy. But he didnt, so he is complicit.

Let's not pretend that no one died as of the result of airstrikes carried out by Allied Forces, or those victims did not have blood? Damn, some guys in DA are really stupid, I had so much hope for DA

These weapons were used against Libyans by Libyans, not the allied forces.

 

[grayston]

There is merit to your argument.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

In which case, one should be very careful who one gives guns to, right?

 

[news24]

If Radebe had stopped the sales, then I would be happy. But he didnt, so he is complicit.

Stopped the sale of weapons? On what grounds?

 

[Alan]

I've been saying for years that the ANC has blood on their hands...

Blood from innocents killed in their terrorist bombing campaigns
Blood from those who died because of failed AIDS policies
Blood from the thousands murdered each year because of uncontrollable violent crime
Blood from the deaths of those killed because of weapons sold to tyrannical governments
Blood from the support of other terrorist regimes and groups around the world
Blood from thousands of unborn babies killed each year through their abortion policies

The list goes on and on.... How anybody can support these murderers is beyond me.

Good enough for him, good enough for me......

 

[Alestorm]

Stopped the sale of weapons? On what grounds?

Exactly the grounds that Maynier pointed out: because it's a repressive dictatorial regime. On what grounds would you think it's okay to sell arms to Gaddafi? You'd be wrong as we now see..

 

[news24]

In which case, one should be very careful who one gives guns to, right?

While on that mentality, I guess, Black-Label should be verycareful at who it sells it's beer. So should BMW, they have ridiculously fast cars, oh wait, even Boeing should choose its customers carefully.

 

[news24]

Exactly the grounds that Maynier pointed out: because it's a repressive dictatorial regime. On what grounds would you think it's okay to sell arms to Gaddafi? You'd be wrong as we now see..

How would you describe the USA? It seems like they are doing fine with our military gear and no one seems to be complaining. Eish! did they find those WMD in Iraq?

 

[Zenbaas]

How would you describe the USA? It seems like they are doing fine with our military gear and no one seems to be complaining. Eish! did they find those WMD in Iraq?

Now thats a stretch if I've ever seen one

 

[LazyLion]

Did you have one in your little diatribe/chest beat/i told you so you posted originally? Didn't think so.

Yes, that the ANC has blood on their hands, just like Maynier said.
But it doesn't surprise me that my statement went completely over you head and you just decided to head off on a completely irrelevant tangent.
You're a sure bet that way.

 

[Nerfherder]

Which means that he was ousted for his comments.

No... his comments were out of order, thats not the issue. The issue is he ignored an instruction.

 

[LazyLion]

No... his comments were out of order, thats not the issue. The issue is he ignored an instruction.

The chain of events are all very clearly connected, only a moronic fool would try to disconnect the final outcome from all the events that preceded it.

 

[Ronjay]

The chain of events are all very clearly connected, only a moronic fool would try to disconnect the final outcome from all the events that preceded it.

Exactly.

 

[Kosmik]

People are very naive if they think that SA does not sell weapons to the world. We always have and always will, it's business.

 

[Jab]

I think Maynier made a mistake thinking the minister would feel ashamed of his actions.

 

[grayston]

While on that mentality, I guess, Black-Label should be verycareful at who it sells it's beer. So should BMW, they have ridiculously fast cars, oh wait, even Boeing should choose its customers carefully.

They really, really should. Not to mention the manufacturers of kitchen knives. Have you seen what those things can do to a simple tin can?

But ... uh ... come back to me when you've found a way to use a gun to cut vegetables.

 

[Alan]

From a few years ago

DA MP responds to Radebe's response to his criticism of SA's arms control regime

In today's press conference, held in response to the DA's allegations (see here) that the National Convention Arms Control Committee (NCACC) had authorised a series of dodgy arms deals, NCACC Chairperson Jeff Radebe did not deny that the Committee had authorised or was considering authorising arms deals with some of the most repressive regimes in the world (see report).

He did not deny that the NCACC has authorised the sale of:

* glide bombs that could be used to deliver nuclear, chemical and biological weapons to Libya;
* multiple grenade launchers to Libya;
* multiple grenade launchers to Syria; and
* thousands of multiple grenade launchers and upgraded assault rifles to Venezuela.

He did not deny that the NCACC is considering authorizing the sale of:

* thousands of aviator G-suits to Iran;
* thousands of sniper rifles to Syria; and
* millions of rounds of ammunition to Zimbabwe.

And he did not deny the NCACC authorized a company to:

* exhibit and demonstrate radar warning receivers for submarines in North Korea.

In fact, he admitted that the NCACC had stopped the sale of thousands of aviator G suites to Iran, and submarine radar warning receivers had been exhibited and demonstrated in North Korea.

Perhaps most scarily the minister conceded that the committee is considering the authorisation of thousands of sniper rifles to Syria and millions of rounds of ammunition to Zimbabwe.

The NCACC is required to take into account certain guidelines before authorising the export of arms. Those guidelines are designed to ensure that we do not sell arms to countries if there is a risk that they will contribute to internal repression, contribute to the violation of human rights or to the escalation of regional conflicts. How then can we be considering authorising the sales of thousands of sniper rifles to Syria and millions of rounds of ammunition to Zimbabwe?

The DA calls on NCACC chairperson Jeff Radebe to:

* investigate how it is that glide bombs that could be used to deliver nuclear, chemical and biological weapons were sold to Libya; and
* investigate whether there was an attempt at sanctions busting by a company based in our country in the arms deal with Iran.

Moreover, the DA calls on the minister to: -

* stop the sale of thousands of sniper rifles to Syria; and
* to stop the sale of millions of 7.62mm and 9mm ammunition to Zimbabwe.

We should not be arming the dictators all over the world.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=138865&sn=Detail

Syrians busy shooting up protesters at the moment.....

 

[Nerfherder]

The chain of events are all very clearly connected, only a moronic fool would try to disconnect the final outcome from all the events that preceded it.

Like you obviously did.

Had he retracted the statement he would have not been kicked out.

I think you learn that in grade 1

 

[Fudzy]

So South Africa are the sole suppliers of weapons to these regions then?

 

[Mila]

So South Africa are the sole suppliers of weapons to these regions then?

Does it matter? Raping someone is not oke because there are other people doing it?
( serious. No snarkey business. Not needed today )