Medunsa protests

winner said:
Funny enough the student i am talking about passed when his scripts where marked in Wits. and exernal examiners examine final years(orals) not 5th years. they only oversee the standard of the question paper in 5th year.
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If that is the case that they don't have external examiners to verify marking then I agree they might have a case, still no excuse for violence though.
 
Cray said:
From the IOL website with one of their demads



Wish I could have gotten away with that when I failed a course...
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Because they were unfairly failed. When they asked for remarking, the scripts where nowhere to be found. according to university rules, scripts should be kept for 5 years
 
winner said:
What alternative do you suggest here if all the legal channels have been exhausted without success?
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Dunno not my problem, but don't expect my sympathy for your cause when you intimidate other people either.
 
winner said:
I'm sure you don't even understand what you are saying so have a good afternoon
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Apologies typo, Civilized people should be able to protest without violence, or do you disagree?
 
evilstebunny said:
Dunno not my problem, but don't expect my sympathy for your cause when you intimidate other people either.
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No one was intimidated. And they dont expect sympathy from anyone. they are making their demands and none of them is sympathy. And by the way when people have got issues that threaten their future like a 500 000 loan without a degree then you will understand why they are desperate. you have to understand their position before you pass judgement.
 
winner said:
the car was overturned yes but the staff was peacefully asked to leave.
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Irrelevant what they asked the staff to do, or how they asked it..

They overturned a car and set it alight. It was a violent protest and all students involved should be expelled with immediate effect.
 
winner said:
No one was intimidated. And they dont expect sympathy from anyone. they are making their demands and none of them is sympathy. And by the way when people have got issues that threaten their future like a 500 000 loan without a degree then you will understand why they are desperate. you have to understand their position before you pass judgement.
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Of course people were intimidated ffs, they overturned and set a car on fire.

There is no need to "understand" their position once they did that.

If you took a student loan to get your degree, you make damn sure you pass, hell I did. If you can't pass then deal with the student loan like the rest of us... get a job and pay it off.
 
winner said:
No one was intimidated. And they dont expect sympathy from anyone. they are making their demands and none of them is sympathy. And by the way when people have got issues that threaten their future like a 500 000 loan without a degree then you will understand why they are desperate. you have to understand their position before you pass judgement.
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Oh so they weren't asked to leave 'cos it was a MASS protest? (your words)

Anyway, as you were, not going to argue a child.
 
winner said:
Funny enough the student i am talking about passed when his scripts where marked in Wits. and exernal examiners examine final years(orals) not 5th years. they only oversee the standard of the question paper in 5th year.
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So all this for 1 student failing the subject 6 times??
So basically you believe that student could never fail, so it must be victimisation??
Ever thought that maybe that student does not understand the material??
Even if there is victimisation, as you say, surely there are other avenues to follow?? Dean, Faculty office, Vice chancellor,etc??
failing those options, I am sure a legal recourse can be taken!!
Guess its just easier to burn **** and victimise other students and lecturers !!
 
Cray said:
Apologies typo, Civilized people should be able to protest without violence, or do you disagree?
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That doesn't work in SA unfortunately. So far the police do not see the need to be on campus. Ive been involved in a lot of campus protests in my days and i can tell you that when there is destruction of property, the police will make it to campus with the blink of an eye. This time they didn't because they didn't feel it was necessary. I'm talking about people(police) who got real info not info from some random tabloid.
 
winner said:
That doesn't work in SA unfortunately. So far the police do not see the need to be on campus. Ive been involved in a lot of campus protests in my days and i can tell you that when there is destruction of property, the police will make it to campus with the blink of an eye. This time they didn't because they didn't feel it was necessary. I'm talking about people(police) who got real info not info from some random tabloid.
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You are also ignoring the fact that the police have their hands full with the Metal strike atm hey.. maybe they didn't rock up on campus because they were busy dealing with other idiots who can't leave other peoples property well enough alone.
 
lucifir said:
So all this for 1 student failing the subject 6 times??
So basically you believe that student could never fail, so it must be victimisation??
Ever thought that maybe that student does not understand the material??
Even if there is victimisation, as you say, surely there are other avenues to follow?? Dean, Faculty office, Vice chancellor,etc??
failing those options, I am sure a legal recourse can be taken!!
Guess its just easier to burn **** and victimise other students and lecturers !!
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All failed. Thats why the dean of medicine is no longer wanted. The student took a case HPCSA and they requested that he should be examined in another varsity with an almost similar curriculum and in this case it was Wits. He passed.
 
winner said:
All failed. Thats why the dean of medicine is no longer wanted. The student took a case HPCSA and they requested that he should be examined in another varsity with an almost similar curriculum and in this case it was Wits. He passed.
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Then why doesn't the student transfer to Wits and complete their degree?

Instead they have to instigate violence... always the solution to all problems.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Then why doesn't the student transfer to Wits and complete their degree?

Instead they have to instigate violence... always the solution to all problems.
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Its not that easy. They have to accept you to their system and with a record of failing 1 subject more than 10 times then i don't thing you stand a chance. I thought someone who went to varsity will understand these basics
 
winner said:
All failed. Thats why the dean of medicine is no longer wanted. The student took a case HPCSA and they requested that he should be examined in another varsity with an almost similar curriculum and in this case it was Wits. He passed.
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I am sure there must be other recourses, like the courts. That would carry more weight and provide more credibility to the victimisation assumption, as right now it just seems like students are not willing to accept that someone can fail a subject.
Surely, this is where the SRC comes in and should force a commission of enquiry(or something similar??). This is generally why you have an SRC!!
 
winner said:
Its not that easy. They have to accept you to their system and with a record of failing 1 subject more than 10 times then i don't thing you stand a chance. I thought someone who went to varsity will understand these basics
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If he has a case with HPCSA, then Wits will apply leniency, and the HPCSA will more than like write a letter to the Wits department explaining the circumstances and the potential victimisation of the student.

I'm surprised someone who has been involved in student politics doesn't understand this concept.
 
Don' kham heeyeh with yoh white ten-dencies! If the peaceful doesn't wek then vowlenz! Obvias!
 
ToxicBunny said:
If he has a case with HPCSA, then Wits will apply leniency, and the HPCSA will more than like write a letter to the Wits department explaining the circumstances and the potential victimisation of the student.

I'm surprised someone who has been involved in student politics doesn't understand this concept.
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It is entirely up to that varsity and besides, the issue was half resolved because with those marks the student was promoted to final year. There are many similar at least but less brutal cases so sending students to Wits isn't a solution for the grater good anyway. Thats why the students are demanding that the HOD of pediatrics and Dean of medicine get suspended and a task team get established to investigate them.
 
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winner said:
Its not that easy. They have to accept you to their system and with a record of failing 1 subject more than 10 times then i don't thing you stand a chance. I thought someone who went to varsity will understand these basics
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I thought someone who went to varsity would understand that the mere fact that he was allowed to repeat a subject 10 times is already a massive leniency.
If I didn't complete my B.Sc within 5 years, I'd lose the first year's credits and would have to do them again. If my wife failed a year twice, she'd have to restart her MBChB from scratch. Failing one subject would've resulted in her repeating the entire year.

I'd be scared to death if someone who failed a subject 10 times were my doctor.
 
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