Men are Screwed (rule 43)

Alton Turner Blackwood

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To be clear. You offered to pay X, but the courts said you have to pay X+n even though you had no job?

Or, did you offer to pay X, and the court granted an order for you to pay X?
Yeah, doesn't make sense. The court will ask the woman what she wants, then they will ask for proof of income and expenses, based on this, if you can afford it they will grant her wish, if not they will award her whatever you can afford.
 

sox63

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One word, mediation. Saved me a ton of money. And if she is being unreasonable, you have the mediation record to present in court...
 

Zarnicate

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Yeah, doesn't make sense. The court will ask the woman what she wants, then they will ask for proof of income and expenses, based on this, if you can afford it they will grant her wish, if not they will award her whatever you can afford.

That is the stickler as well.
The courts didn't ask for diddly squat.
No bank statement no nothing just awarded her the amount.

Basically the judge was just being a cnut.
 

Emjay

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I offered to pay X and the court granted X+n.

I was willing to pay as I felt my kid deserved it. I would pay as long as I could until all my funds were exhausted and all avenues were exhausted. I however knew that the joblessness was just temporary and something would crop up.

So I was willing to pay for about 6 months and if I did not find a new job by then I would have applied to make it Zilch.

I don't see how a reasonable court will expect you to pay maintenance with money you do not have. Or did you make representations that you were expecting to find a job?

I hear you on the court bias in terms of awarding custody to the mother however.
 

3Gee

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How does rule 43 apply with a prenup stating out of community without accrual, no kids involved?
 

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Sorry to offend but in my books women are the architects of divorce settlement. Go figure.
 

Zarnicate

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I don't see how a reasonable court will expect you to pay maintenance with money you do not have. Or did you make representations that you were expecting to find a job?

That is the point. The courts are unreasonable.
If the situation was swapped they would have asked for income/bank statements, bent over backwards but in my case....go get some vasaline
 

Zarnicate

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Well this was 10 years ago I got screwed but from article posted it seems we are still getting screwed and that is why men are checking out of society due to unfair practices.

Yes there are men that dodge maintenance etc and are a bunch of cnuts but there are woman when they go to divorce court "lets take him to the cleaners" and take them to maintenance court year on year on year
 

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Well this was 10 years ago I got screwed but from article posted it seems we are still getting screwed and that is why men are checking out of society due to unfair practices.

Yes there are men that dodge maintenance etc and are a bunch of cnuts but there are woman when they go to divorce court "lets take him to the cleaners"

And yes there are women that aren't like this, but why take the risk? I rather learn from your experience and apply it to my own life :)
 

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Currently women have advantages in the following areas of life:

Every part of the legal system. They get preferential treatment in family court in terms of maintenance, divorce settlements and child custody. A lot of legal jurisdictions have doctrines that state women who claim they have been raped must be believed. If convicted of a crime, a woman faces a lesser sentence than a man convicted of the same crime.
Domestic violence support - there is no support for male victims of spousal abuse, and no plan to introduce any. Almost anywhere in the world. In cases where the male is the victim, frequently he is arrested instead, because the assumption is that the male is the abuser.
Life expectancy - women live longer than men. They have better access to health care, with more money spent on breast cancer than any other cancer in the world, despite it not actually being the most lethal cancer. Women work in less dangerous jobs, with far fewer work place related deaths, and the male suicide rate is far higher.
Education - any woman has preferential access getting into any form of education she chooses. Women are performing better than men at all levels from education, from pre school to university, but this is not something that concerns feminists (who DEFINITELY believe in equality) as who cares about men right? They just stupid or something. Now, there are 50% more women than men in higher education, and this is a cause for concern because it means less eligible men for those women to marry.
Earnings - still a contentious issue, but the gender pay gap does largely disappear if you control for the type of work performed. When comparing people with the same job title and years of experience, the gap largely disappears. Plus, there are now a lot of female only positions, everything from UK MPs, to university professors to boards of companies requiring female representation means there is a lot of push to get women into higher earning roles.

There are massive social advantages that women enjoy, that men don't, but I won't get into these because they are bit harder to define.

So yeah, men are definitely more privileged am I right? This is why we need feminism - because women have too few advantages in life.
 

Alton Turner Blackwood

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That is the point. The courts are unreasonable.
If the situation was swapped they would have asked for income/bank statements, bent over backwards but in my case....go get some vasaline
Are you sure you were in a real court and the judge wasn't facebook friends with your ex?

I was asked for the details I stated above and based on that the court reduced the amount that she wanted.
 

cyberghost47

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Then she'll pay more. Both parents have an equal duty to support the sprogs, subject to their respective means.

Ok cool, and how would a prenup effect all of this? I mean honestly if you marry someone with no form of income or even someone earning a third of what you do and then not getting a prenup, your marriage was more of a scam than anything really.

You basically agreed to giving her all your money from the day you said "I do". It blows my mind that folks don't get a prenup by default.

Just bringing up the conversation should give you a the necessary warning signs. If she is against the idea then gtfo.
 
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Emjay

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Well this was 10 years ago I got screwed but from article posted it seems we are still getting screwed and that is why men are checking out of society due to unfair practices.

Yes there are men that dodge maintenance etc and are a bunch of cnuts but there are woman when they go to divorce court "lets take him to the cleaners" and take them to maintenance court year on year on year

So this order was 10 years ago? May I ask, have you received a new order since then to cater for inflation or any additional income you have earned?
 
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