Men are Screwed (rule 43)

Emjay

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Currently women have advantages in the following areas of life:

Every part of the legal system. They get preferential treatment in family court in terms of maintenance, divorce settlements and child custody. A lot of legal jurisdictions have doctrines that state women who claim they have been raped must be believed. If convicted of a crime, a woman faces a lesser sentence than a man convicted of the same crime.
Domestic violence support - there is no support for male victims of spousal abuse, and no plan to introduce any. Almost anywhere in the world. In cases where the male is the victim, frequently he is arrested instead, because the assumption is that the male is the abuser.
Life expectancy - women live longer than men. They have better access to health care, with more money spent on breast cancer than any other cancer in the world, despite it not actually being the most lethal cancer. Women work in less dangerous jobs, with far fewer work place related deaths, and the male suicide rate is far higher.
Education - any woman has preferential access getting into any form of education she chooses. Women are performing better than men at all levels from education, from pre school to university, but this is not something that concerns feminists (who DEFINITELY believe in equality) as who cares about men right? They just stupid or something. Now, there are 50% more women than men in higher education, and this is a cause for concern because it means less eligible men for those women to marry.
Earnings - still a contentious issue, but the gender pay gap does largely disappear if you control for the type of work performed. When comparing people with the same job title and years of experience, the gap largely disappears. Plus, there are now a lot of female only positions, everything from UK MPs, to university professors to boards of companies requiring female representation means there is a lot of push to get women into higher earning roles.

There are massive social advantages that women enjoy, that men don't, but I won't get into these because they are bit harder to define.

So yeah, men are definitely more privileged am I right? This is why we need feminism - because women have too few advantages in life.

Earnings are based on demand. It's not an area of advantage, but an area that is equal.

Yet, as a woman, I cannot go for a run or ride on my own for fear of being raped. Totes advantaged!
 

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Well this was 10 years ago I got screwed but from article posted it seems we are still getting screwed and that is why men are checking out of society due to unfair practices.

Yes there are men that dodge maintenance etc and are a bunch of cnuts but there are woman when they go to divorce court "lets take him to the cleaners" and take them to maintenance court year on year on year
There are also women who won't pay a cent for their own kids. A friend has this situation he has custody of his kids, but he's got to stay with his mom because he's got to pay everything for the boys.
But I know of two fathers doing the same to their kids moms as well, some people can be spiteful.
 

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Slight more neutral version of the judgment. (I don't have a dog in this fight). See: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...t-interim-divorce-orders-may-not-be-appealed/
The court found that Rule 43 serves an important purpose: to “provide a speedy and inexpensive remedy, primarily for the benefit of women and children”. So the court found that to enable an appeal would undermine the very purpose which Rule 43 seeks to advance. The prohibition has a legitimate purpose.

Generally interim orders can only be appealed if the interests of justice permit. But it does not follow that a person has the right to appeal every order, especially interim ones.

In any event, Rule 43 did not prevent an applicant from approaching the court again. A person in Mr S’s circumstances could approach the court to vary its original order where there is a change in “material circumstances”, said the court. The part of the rule mitigates against any potential injustice the court found.
 

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Earnings are based on demand. It's not an area of advantage, but an area that is equal.

Yet, as a woman, I cannot go for a run or ride on my own for fear of being raped. Totes advantaged!
It's not like the law says women can be raped or anything.

You appear to be comparing apples and oranges.
 

Gingerbeardman

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You guys are posting in the wrong forum
Think this is the forum you were looking for

Yeah, I don't think people burned by divorce settlements can be characterised as "incels" in any meaningful fashion.
 

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I'm so glad my lastborn started work this year so I'm finally over this schit, no more alimony & especially no more the likes of that cow having any kind of hold over me.

The schit I had to eat up, petty little things like she purposefully didn't submit the kids' medical aid claims so I had to pay them out of pocket (t'wasn't the now with e-this & that, those days paper was still king). Me just wanting to get on with my life paid her the medical aid fees so she couldn't do that any more. I don't really wat to go down memory lane, but like a said, a while lot of schit. And for what?

Maybe I just got a broken one, but I also wouldn't recommend getting married, even more so nowadays everything is just about money. Anyway good luck folks, it will eventually stop one day.
 

Emjay

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It's not like the law says women can be raped or anything.

You appear to be comparing apples and oranges.

Oh, sorry, I thought this was a pity party. I should have rather mentioned domestic violence levels and the high rate of absentee fathers.
 

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I have also learned to stay away from "Proud" single mommies

Except where the EX was an awesome guy but was killed in a freak/****tup situation. Then there is no issue, however still not my cup of tea
The proud single mommies are normal a bit desperate for some action. A mate of mine used to have a great time with them, just couldnt stay long term because they were always a bit nuts.
 

Gingerbeardman

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Oh, sorry, I thought this was a pity party. I should have rather mentioned domestic violence levels and the high rate of absentee fathers.
Still apples and oranges until such a time as the law/institutional social system actually endorses absentee fatherhood.
 

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The proud single mommies are normal a bit desperate for some action. A mate of mine used to have a great time with them, just couldnt stay long term because they were always a bit nuts.

Which is why they are single moms, was that not the warning?
 

Emjay

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Still apples and oranges until such a time as the law/institutional social system actually endorses absentee fatherhood.

Sorry, GBM. I don't play by your rules either.

The law does not enforce many of those aspects as per Ancalgon's post either. While intent and results vary, you will have to make a case by case basis for each of those points.

If you want to discuss how badly men are treated in society, you will need to deal with violence against women, and absent fathers head on.
 

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The proud single mommies are normal a bit desperate for some action. A mate of mine used to have a great time with them, just couldnt stay long term because they were always a bit nuts.

Just feel bad for the kids
 

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Ok cool, and how would a prenup effect all of this? I mean honestly if you marry someone with no form of income or even someone earning a third of what you do and then not getting a prenup, your marriage was more of a scam than anything really.

You basically agreed to giving her all your money from the day you said "I do". It blows my mind that folks don't get a prenup by default.

Just bringing up the conversation should give you a the necessary warning signs. If she is against the idea then gtfo.
What does a prenuptial agreement have to do with you supporting your kids or ex-wife?
 

Emjay

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Just wondering, which rules do you play by?

The law does not enforce many of those aspects as per Ancalgon's post either. While intent and results vary, you will have to make a case by case basis for each of those points.

If you want to discuss how badly men are treated in society, you will need to deal with violence against women, and absent fathers head on.
 
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