Messi vs Ronaldo

HenryJ said:
Is that Ruud Gullit? Or someone else.

Believe it or not, it is possible to have an allegiance and not be biased. You would not know about that though.
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ooh a typo thats the best you can bring to the debate.
Everyone who watches skysports knows bailey is pathetically biased towards manchester.
 
new HenryJ rule:
You allowed to handle the ball anywhere on the pitch ONLY if you claim you heard a whistle (even though nobody in the stadium heard one)
 
The ref had every right to give him the yellow. What im saying is that sometimes a ref will cut a player some slack. The ref didnt send Ronaldo off because he clapped him...the ref refused to cut ronaldo some slack because of the clapping. Subtle difference but the ref did nothing wrong by sending him off.
 
Fern9do said:
For once i can symphatise with the cry baby. He had a clear header when he decided to catch the ball so he must have thaught he heard the whistle...HOWEVER he only has himself to blame for being sent off after once again showing his poor character when he sarcasticly clapped his hands at the Ref ater being cautioned for fouling SWP.
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Not from me. He sould have got a second yellow for clapping and sent off then and there

Off to watch Chelski vs Arse :p
 
Amazing how the sheep will follow and fight for Ronaldo even tho he is clearly in the wrong. This game showed how disrespectful he can be.

If Messi had to act like that i would be ashamed and hope that he gets punished! If he handled the ball like Ronaldo, i would be the first to say - straight send off!

Very different in the United camp.
 
I remember Messi scoring - think it was against gatafe- with his hand( ala maradona) so hes not an Angel either. But having said that he has a much better attitude and is way more humble. Ask Messi if hes the next Maradon and he'll say no, theres only 1 maradona.
Ask Ronaldo if hes the next Eusebio and no doubt he will say no, im better than him:)
Ronaldo's attitude makes it hard for non united fans to like him. I was actually lmao when he got sent off. Nobody doubts Ronaldos abilities, its the fact that hes such a prick about how good he is which makes us dislike him.
 
Fern9do said:
I remember Messi scoring - think it was against gatafe- with his hand( ala maradona) so hes not an Angel either. But having said that he has a much better attitude and is way more humble. Ask Messi if hes the next Maradon and he'll say no, theres only 1 maradona.
Ask Ronaldo if hes the next Eusebio and no doubt he will say no, im better than him:)
Ronaldo's attitude makes it hard for non united fans to like him. I was actually lmao when he got sent off. Nobody doubts Ronaldos abilities, its the fact that hes such a prick about how good he is which makes us dislike him.
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Indeed. Some good points there.

Ronaldo's attitude makes it hard even for United fans to like him. No doubt he is really talanted, but the other side of his game is sometimes hard to stomach.

Today, he was unlucky though.
 
I agree with Fernd90.

Ronaldo is brilliant, but his attitude stinks. I also believe that he is not as brilliant as he is made out to be. Take todays game for example, he was quiet. Never really troubled the defence.

Dissapeared in the second half. I dont think he was unlucky to be sent off. If it was any other player, any other team - if he did what Ronaldo did, he would have got a second yellow.

There is absolutely no explaining to be done - you handled the ball and thats it.
 
I agree that he was having a poor game up till then.

But the red was unlucky. Perhaps not technically wrong. But unlucky, in that the ref could have let it go. Like he did with Ireland's countless worse fouls when he was on a yellow already.
 
I cant recall a ref letting a yellow go in that situation. That is 110% ALWAYS a yellow if you handle the ball in the box!
 
Genius. said:
I cant recall a ref letting a yellow go in that situation. That is 110% ALWAYS a yellow if you handle the ball in the box!
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I have never seen a situation like that before.

Sure the handball was deliberate in that he meant it, but he thought the whistle had gone.

On another day, with another player I just don't think it would have been a second yellow.
 
HenryJ said:
I have never seen a situation like that before.

Sure the handball was deliberate in that he meant it, but he thought the whistle had gone.

On another day, with another player I just don't think it would have been a second yellow.
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Always a card, be it a straight red or a yellow.Nobody can handle the ball in the box and expect to get away with it.

You just have to look a couple of months back at Scholes getting red for the exact same thing against Zenit.
 
SuPaStA said:
Always a card, be it a straight red or a yellow.Nobody can handle the ball in the box and expect to get away with it.

You just have to look a couple of months back at Scholes getting red for the exact same thing against Zenit.
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The Scholes red was clearer because he was trying to score from it. That was not the case today.

I think we will manage to beat Sunderland at home next weekend without him anyway :)
 
HenryJ said:
The Scholes red was clearer because he was trying to score from it. That was not the case today.

I think we will manage to beat Sunderland at home next weekend without him anyway :)
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You missing the point, it doesnt matter what he wanted to do with the ball (autograph it,pump it up etc) he made a deliberate handball in the box and that means one thing a CARD.
 
SuPaStA said:
You missing the point, it doesnt matter what he wanted to do with the ball (autograph it,pump it up etc) he made a deliberate handball in the box and that means one thing a CARD.
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I guess. One would think the ref could use his discretion though.

If it had not happened in the box, it would not have been anything at all. Especially if it had happened to a different player.
 
Cristiano Ronaldo was shown a second yellow card in bizarre circumstances during the Manchester derby. Was it the right decision? F365 analyses the Laws of the game to help you decide.


Let us know your thoughts below, or mail us on: [email protected].


Cristiano Ronaldo was shown a second yellow card in bizarre circumstances during the Manchester derby.


As a United corner came into the City penalty area, the winger out-jumped everyone else in the box and was left with a fantastic chance to head his side into a two-goal lead. Instead, he brought both hands up and knocked the ball down to the ground.


Replays appeared to confirm Ronaldo wasn't trying to punch the ball into the net. What exactly was going through his mind wasn't immediately clear. The Portuguese argued that he had heard what he thought was the referee's whistle (although his position was slightly undermined by more than one of his teammates arguing that Ronaldo had handballed because he had been pushed in the back).


Sir Alex Ferguson appeared to have embraced both options, as well as a third. "I have seen it again and I think he was trying to protect his face," said the United manager.


"He may have got a little shove. He thought he had heard a whistle."


One thing is clear: Ronaldo did deliberately handball. But was Howard Webb right to show him a second yellow card for the offence?


Law 12 of FIFA's Laws of the Game 2008/09 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)."


The much-used term 'deliberate handball' is misleading, since to be an offence under the laws of the game a handball must, by definition, be deliberate. A 'deliberate' handball is not a booking, then - unless every handball the referee blows up for is a booking.


The guidelines that FIFA publish to accompany the laws state that:


There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour is required when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player:


*deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession.


*attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball


This is where things become complicated. Ronaldo was clearly not guilty of the former, and replays seem conclusive that he was not attempting the latter. Of course, Webb does not have the benefit of replays. Even if he did, while those replays seem conclusive, no-one but Ronaldo knows what he intended to do when he handled the ball.


Remember, as always, Law 12 includes the general rule that, a player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits...unsporting behaviour. If, in Webb's opinion, Ronaldo was guilty of unsporting behaviour, then he was right to show him the yellow card. Four of the most important words in football are, "in the referee's opinion." Ferguson himself said earlier in the week that, "You'll always get inconsistent decisions, because every ref has his own opinion and his own judgment about things.


"That's one of the great things about our game. That's not changed from the day refereeing started."
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http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8699_4572650,00.html

This is exactly what I am talking about. The card is not inevitable. There has to be unsporting behaviour in the mind of the ref.

This is the from the laws of football.
 
Manchester City boss Mark Hughes on Ronaldo's red card: "I don't think the referee had any choice."

Manure supporters are blind if you think someone deliberately handling the ball in the box is not a bookable offence.
 
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SuPaStA said:
Manchester City boss Mark Hughes on Ronaldo's red card: "I don't think the referee had any choice."

Manure supporters are blind if you think someone deliberately handling the ball in the box is not a bookable offence.
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Even you cannot be so arrogant and pathetic as to ignore the LAWS of the game that I just posted? Surely.
 
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