Microsoft and Apple rivalry heats up

UrBaN963 said:
But I don't like Tim, I like Steve.
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Then you have problems son... some serious mental (and maybe other more deviant :P ) problems... Steve is no more, you need to move with the times and be progressive.
 
ToxicBunny said:
No, it appeals to people because its a good quality product, that has good technical specs and performs very well. Not for some random "feels" crap.
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That isn't my experience of them.

The aforementioned MBP had to sit on a laptop cooler for its entire working life because of how badly the cooling was. And this was after I had to install a piece of software that overwrote Apple's defaults in how loud the fan should be.
If I didn't do that, the CPU would get throttled, and the laptop would turn into a pretty looking brick sitting at 98 degrees trying to run webpack.
 
konfab said:
That isn't my experience of them.

The aforementioned MBP had to sit on a laptop cooler for its entire working life because of how badly the cooling was. And this was after I had to install a piece of software that overwrote Apple's defaults in how loud the fan should be.
If I didn't do that, the CPU would get throttled, and the laptop would turn into a pretty looking brick sitting at 98 degrees trying to run webpack.
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But you're talking about the old MBP, not the current one we're discussing.
 
UrBaN963 said:
But you're talking about the old MBP, not the current one we're discussing.
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I bet the old one would have been defended in exactly the same way that you are doing with this one.

You take their complete lack of IO ports on their machines, this is something that causes most people quite a lot of inconvenience, yet I can bet there would be people here who would defend it.
Look at this:
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You can only do two of those things at once without an expensive adapter. Even my bloody EEEPC had more ports.

The only rational explanation of this, is that people who buy this product are willing to take Apple's word that they don't need them, and that buying an adapter is the "correct" way of dealing with it.
 
I'm currently looking at my Windows Laptop on my desk, and it has 1 thing connected to it...

a Dock, everything else is connected to the dock.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I'm currently looking at my Windows Laptop on my desk, and it has 1 thing connected to it...

a Dock, everything else is connected to the dock.
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That's another name for a HUGE dongle which requires a power supply. How do you lug that around to use all those old USB sticks? USB-A FTW :ROFL: /s
 
konfab said:
I bet the old one would have been defended in exactly the same way that you are doing with this one.

You take their complete lack of IO ports on their machines, this is something that causes most people quite a lot of inconvenience, yet I can bet there would be people here who would defend it.
Look at this:
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You can only do two of those things at once without an expensive adapter. Even my bloody EEEPC had more ports.

The only rational explanation of this, is that people who buy this product are willing to take Apple's word that they don't need them, and that buying an adapter is the "correct" way of dealing with it.
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Nope.

Also, I'm not defending the MBP. It doesn't need defense, in the same way that a quality Windows-based laptop doesn't need defense. Once you reach a certain tier, they're all good laptops. Well made, good features, fast enough, etc.

The point was more that they have their use-case, as do Windows-based laptops. Neither is always correct, but both are correct in the correct circumstance.
 
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quovadis said:
That's another name for a HUGE dongle which requires a power supply. How do you lug that around to use all those old USB sticks? USB-A FTW :ROFL: /s
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I prefer the old school Laplink cables.. much more effective!
 
ToxicBunny said:
I'm currently looking at my Windows Laptop on my desk, and it has 1 thing connected to it...

a Dock, everything else is connected to the dock.
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This.

I love having the portability: second monitor, LAN, headphones & SSD are all connected to my dock and I have one cable going into the laptop. Imagine having to unplug everything every time you want to get up and take your laptop with you.
 
prOd said:
This.

I love having the portability: second monitor, LAN, headphones & SSD are all connected to my dock and I have one cable going into the laptop. Imagine having to unplug everything every time you want to get up and take your laptop with you.
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Precisely...

My bag has a charger and a few essentials, but all the big ticket items are connected to the dock and its a single unplug and go move to become portable.

I mean don't get me wrong, I do get the argument about Macs having limited ports, but my XPS isn't much better really.
 
prOd said:
I love having the portability: second monitor, LAN, headphones & SSD are all connected to my dock and I have one cable going into the laptop. Imagine having to unplug everything every time you want to get up and take your laptop with you.
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My plans for replacing my desktop in the future also include a laptop with a USB-C dock solution. This way I don't have two computers to keep current and I can use the laptop when out working.

USB 4.0 will need to be robust enough for the job when I'm ready to do that though, and finding all the right stuff will be tricky because it needs to be USB4 with PD to the right wattage.
 
O/T

It would be so convenient if something like the Framework laptop would become a reality. The premise seems promising, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Fix Consumer Electronics

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CataclysmZA said:
My plans for replacing my desktop in the future also include a laptop with a USB-C dock solution. This way I don't have two computers to keep current and I can use the laptop when out working.

USB 4.0 will need to be robust enough for the job when I'm ready to do that though, and finding all the right stuff will be tricky because it needs to be USB4 with PD to the right wattage.
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That’s the nice thing about power delivery, it figures out the wattage. The device and charger just need to be compliant.

I have a charger in my bag, so if I forget to carry my laptop charger then I know I got a spare or I can use a power bank.
 
PhireSide said:
O/T

It would be so convenient if something like the Framework laptop would become a reality. The premise seems promising, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Fix Consumer Electronics

We know consumer electronics can be better for you and for the environment. Unlike most products, ours are open for you to repair and upgrade
frame.work frame.work
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I’ll be that guy and ask, who is the target market for such a device?
 
DA-LION-619 said:
I’ll be that guy and ask, who is the target market for such a device?
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I'd guess people who aren't happy with the standard manufacturer offerings, and have a niche usecase for a certain type and/or amount of ports. Or perhaps, people who envision keeping the same chassis and upgrading as they go along for 5 or 7 years.

It's pretty cool that you can completely customise the components, but I see the risk of it turning into Phonebloks if it's not well received. Software support would also be a major factor, as is OS support.
 
|tera| said:
Won't make such a bold statement.
Surface. That's where MS competes against the MBA.

I wouldn't use an Apple device, if I got it for free. I've never seen the value in terms of cost. MS gives me value for my investments each month and every day.
Windows is where I'm at and will always be. Linux is second. MAC isn't anywhere.
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what car do you drive?
 
|tera| said:
A Bugatti Veyron.

Go lift your leg against something else.
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Let’s see, what car gives you value for your investments each and every day? You definitely don’t care about the quality of the ride nor the experience....Tazz maybe?

Why don’t you just accept that people will all choose their own things and a lot of people, coders, professionals, you name it like Apple. And to think I was going to offer to buy you a brand new MBP earlier. Tsk
 
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