Geoff.D
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Yes according to the tests you can run on this website. Not perfect, but more "compliant".
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Yes according to the tests you can run on this website. Not perfect, but more "compliant".
Geoff.D
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Thank you for this reference. It now confirms what I thought was happening on the 2 websites I am having issues with.
The three statements below from this reference seem to be the keys to some of the issues:
" You know error messages some times can point you in the wrong direction. When you look at the problem from another perspective, you might find your answer."
"The real problem is not the js break the layout, its IE rendering the working page in the compatibility mode which has very poor css and js support."
"moral of the story: It very important to check the what engine IE is using to render your web page. Without this piece of information you might end up barking up the wrong tree for hours."
I also use most of the browsers. I do have favourites though. I can't explain why. I doubt it has anything to do with which browser is technically better or worse, because I think 99% of the time you can't really tell. The browser I dislike the most is Edge. But that's mainly because it's so different. My next least favourite is Chrome, because I don't like Google, which doesn't actually make sense since my home page is Google, and I hate other search engines. I use IE and Firefox interchangeably on Windows. On my Mac I also switch between Safari and Firefox for no good reason other than "because I can"
Geoff.D
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I also use most of the browsers. I do have favourites though. I can't explain why. I doubt it has anything to do with which browser is technically better or worse, because I think 99% of the time you can't really tell. The browser I dislike the most is Edge. But that's mainly because it's so different. My next least favourite is Chrome, because I don't like Google, which doesn't actually make sense since my home page is Google, and I hate other search engines. I use IE and Firefox interchangeably on Windows. On my Mac I also switch between Safari and Firefox for no good reason other than "because I can"
Agree with you.
I am using Edge mainly because it is supposed to be the replacement for IE 11 in the long run. I am most comfortable with IE any version but what is currently default part of Win 10 is IE 11. It is the one we all grew up with.
Chrome comes out tops according the evaluation tests but what bugs me the most with it is the amount of effort you need to ensure your privacy is protected. ( although MS is fast catching up with Google regarding invading ones privacy without your permission).
Opera seems to work the best on the Android tablet I have.
I do not like Firefox at all and only use it when specific websites require its use over and above all other browsers.
I was never bugged about which was technically the best and all the issues until Win 10 came along with its default IE 11 and the issues I started having with quite a few websites I routinely have to access in South Africa. It is what started me on this steep learning curve to understand how to use the developer tools and debug issues. The more I learn the more irritated I get when I come across web code that even the amateur that I am can see is badly written. Especially when one comes across dozens of errors violations and warnings.
I don't want to be bugged by all this, I just want my browser to work, all the time! at the moment every time MS does a "software update" "stuff" is reset to defaults, which I have previously found are incompatible with some of the websites I routinely have to access. I started to ask why is it that sites that worked perfectly well with IE 8,9,10 are now "broken" with IE 11.
No it does not. This very thread is a testimony to that fact.
If it worked then why is its founding company abandoning it? Because it failed, simple as that.
Why do we need to include a little snippets and have various workarounds for modern standard websites to work in ie? Because ie is broken.
I don't think development is the career choice for you.
You say you are a layman that learn all there is to know about HTML5 code.
Surprise sir.
That doesn't work in ie.
Yes, for some things it will only work on IE... but that's the only time I use IE.
I've also wondered about this and then assumed (assumption is the mother of all evil
) that because about 90% of the stuff on our pc is Microsoft based so I guess it's keeping with the theme? At least they do allow us to install other browsers on our pcs/laptops but anything on our intranet or extranet needs to be accessed via IE... else it doesn't work even if the proxy settings are changed.
Geoff.D
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They are not abandoning IE. The title is a very poor. They are no longer supporting older versions of IE., with a view to the long term migration towards Edge.
Yes it does IF website code is written correctly, and that does not mean "snippets and work arounds". Snippets and work arounds are "modifications" done instead of find the root cause issue and fixing that.
No it is simply an evolution of software, a process that goes on all the time.
Already answered
Already answered. I have no intention of becoming a developer. My only interest is in continually keeping up with technology and being able to diagnose problems properly.
I am doing very well thank you very much. No, all it requires is a thorough understanding of IE and HTML5 and the tenacity to find an answer.
I once had a Prof at university who said:
"An engineer never blames the tools at his disposal, just his inability to use them effectively"
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I decided not to reply for the reason that stubborn people refuse to listen to reason and being blinded to Microsoft's failures is a false utopia that will ultimately come back to bite them.
I don't often read the forum comments after an article, but decided to read this lot to have a laugh at the ripping IE comments.
But yeah, we use Citrix at work (awaits more ripping comments) which only only allows IE and FF (if you can get JAVA enabled on int). But at least we are free to use any other browser if we want to.
So yeah, IE has its place still, but mostly for corporate/legacy software reasons.
Geoff.D
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So do you have a laptop with Windows OS on it? What Browser did you first use when you got your first PC or was exposed to a PC at work? What do you propose to all the corporates out there that have standardised on Windows as an operating system and have customised their in house software to use IE as the means to access that software?
Have you been following what is happening with the migration to Edge and what will be contained in the next release of Edge?
Geoff.D
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Yes this whole thread is about why some of us use IE. We are not always masters of our own destiny and have to work within the rules laid down by IT departments and Company policy. Having said that I have never had any truly major issues with IE except for the migration to IE 11
IE has always been good enough for what I require from the Internet .....
In all likelihood, I will switch to Edge when the new version is released and as soon as the sites I use regularly (2 major ones) get their websites changed to allow access from another Browser.
IE has always been good enough for what I require from the Internet .....
In all likelihood, I will switch to Edge when the new version is released and as soon as the sites I use regularly (2 major ones) get their websites changed to allow access from another Browser.
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Who gives a ***** TLTL. Most people already moved on to Chome or even Firefox. Even at work I use Chrome and it makes me do my job faster. Not to mention that MS has a tough job to convince people to come back to Edge. They released a half finished browser that had and still have bugs like force closes etc. and it took them three months to implement bookmark syncing that is also useless in itself because no one has a Windows 10 Mobile device. Corporates that standardized on Windows and build their in house software to IE only have themselves and MS to blame.
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Yes ie is good enough for what YOU need it to do, it's not good for anything else and quite frankly sir you don't know how to use the Internet. If you did you would have noticed none of it works on ie and this you should get a real browser
Trying to convince people that there is nothing wrong with Intranet Exploder is much like trying to convince people to get e-tagged and pay e-tolls, and it wouldn't surprise me if SCAMRAL uses Intranet Exploder to host the front-end to their rear-end billing systems that keep on losing payments from the silly people that do actually pay SCAMRAL.
Johnatan56
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Geoff.D
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And is that because of the company still being on Windows XP?We're forced to use ie 8 at work
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