Microsoft to rework Windows 8

I hope they change those HUGE icons of the settings menu. Well, that is if you can find the Settings menu. :sick:

It just looks absolutely retarded on a normal desktop/notebook pc.

Come on Microsoft, make Windows 8.1 a proper desktop/notebook OS again!!
 
Microsoft prepares rethink on Windows 8 flagship software

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/330c8b8e-b66b-11e2-93ba-00144feabdc0.html

Microsoft is preparing to reverse course over key elements of its Windows 8 operating system, marking one of the most prominent admissions of failure for a new mass-market consumer product since Coca-Cola’s New Coke fiasco nearly 30 years ago.

“Key aspects” of how the software is used will be changed when Microsoft releases an updated version of the operating system this year, Tami Reller, head of marketing and finance for the Windows business, said in an interview with the Financial Times. Referring to difficulties many users have had with mastering the software, she added: “The learning curve is definitely real.”

Analysts warned that changing course would be a significant admission of failure for Steve Ballmer, chief executive, who called the October launch of Windows 8 a “bet-the-company” moment as Microsoft sought to respond to the success of Apple’s iPad.

“It’s a horrible thing for this to happen to your flagship product – he’ll take a hit for that,” said Mark Anderson, an independent tech analyst. “But he’s also responsible for a renaissance inside the company. There’s a level of risk and creativity going on that would never have happened two years ago.”

Richard Doherty, analyst at tech research firm Envisioneering, said: “This is like New Coke, going on for seven months – only Coke listened better.” Coca-Cola dropped its New Coke formula in response to a consumer backlash less than three months after launch.

Windows 8 was an ambitious attempt to update the personal computer for the tablet era by moving to a new touchscreen interface based on colourful tiles, hiding the “desktop” launch screen familiar to white collar workers and consumers around the world.

The combination PC and tablet software was widely panned by reviewers and has been blamed by some analysts for worsening the slump in sales that has rocked the PC industry. Even before its launch, Tim Cook, chief executive of Apple, said Windows 8 would be like combining a toaster and a fridge – something that, while technically possible, was “probably not going to be pleasing to the user”.

Ms Reller refused to reveal details of the changes Microsoft would make to Windows 8. However, the clamour from reviewers has become overwhelming for a return to a more familiar PC interface. Ms Reller said PC users had faced difficulties adapting to the new software.

Pressure has been building for Windows 8 PCs to launch the familiar desktop view when turned on – and to bring back the “start” button featured in the lower left corner of the screen in previous releases.

Microsoft has also admitted to a range of other slips with the launch of Windows 8, including failing to do enough to train retail staff and educate potential customers about the new software, as well as not focusing all of its financial incentives behind the touchscreen PCs that show off Windows 8 to best advantage. “It’s very clear we could and should have done more,” Ms Reller said.

Despite the slips, she said that Microsoft continued to view the software as suitable for both PCs and tablets and that “customer satisfaction with Windows 8 with touch is strong”.
 
Windows, the first version of which was launched in the 1990s, remains the dominant PC platform with some 90 percent of the world market. But in the mobile world, it is struggling against Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android system.

errr... Windows lauched in the 1980's not 1990's. The start button launched in the 90's

I remember when the windows 95 came out, which launched the start button.. the industry also rejected it. Funny now the same people are complaining about its loss.

I am sure when its time to retire metro, the users will moan about that too.. we want metro back lol...
 
The start button launched in the 90's

I remember when the windows 95 came out, which launched the start button.. the industry also rejected it. Funny now the same people are complaining about its loss.

I am sure when its time to retire metro, the users will moan about that too.. we want metro back lol...


No just give the users a choice.

For 90% of users I had to find an alternative start button, some were happy with the metro interface.
 
No just give the users a choice.

For 90% of users I had to find an alternative start button, some were happy with the metro interface.

^this

Even when 95 came out and even up to XP sp 2 users had an option to switch.

In later versions of Microsoft Windows, starting with Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0, Program Manager was replaced by Windows Explorer as the shell, more specifically the Start Menu which was part of the Shell, which took over organization and launching capabilities. However, Windows 95 still gave the user an option to choose which shell they preferred during setup. For backward compatibility with old applications[citation needed], Program Manager was still included in later versions of Windows. It can be accessed by executing PROGMAN.EXE from the command line or Run dialog. The file is located in the Windows directory in older versions, or the System32 directory in Windows 2000. On any Windows version, it can be used as the default shell by specifying the Shell value in the registry at either HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon (per machine) or HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon (per user).
Today, Program Manager has little practical use beyond compatibility with pre-Windows 95 programs.[citation needed] Since Windows XP Service Pack 2, it has been reduced to a stub and a converter for Program Manager shortcuts to Windows Explorer shortcuts. Beginning with Windows Vista, PROGMAN.EXE, the executable, is no longer included with the system.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Manager

I remember doing this for older customers.

The only thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 is to FORCE people onto the new UI.
 
This seems like spin. Windows Blue was planned before Windows 8 even launched.
 
No just give the users a choice.

For 90% of users I had to find an alternative start button, some were happy with the metro interface.

I am also one of those 90%.. I purchased start 8, but I dont boot straight to desktop. I decided to explore this new metro enviroment. I only use the start 8 menu to run desktop apps, I even remove all desktop apps from metro screen. So I use desktop apps in the desktop with my start 8 button and then metro apps in their own enviroment..

I works for me. I actually now, with start 8 installed like windows 8

I admit I spend 90% of the time using my desktop envirorment.
 
I think when even Microsoft admits they made a mistake with Windows 8, its time for the Windows 8 Defenders to give up.

Yes, people complained bitterly about Windows 95, but I think the difference is that all versions of windows, prior to 8, have had a consistent interface. If something works in a particular way in one area of the OS, you can expect it to do the same in all other areas of the OS. Windows 8, which is two user interfaces crammed into one operating system, does not have this characteristic, and that is why it is a failure. Individually, the Metro interface and the desktop interface are both fine. Windows 7 just about perfected the desktop interface, and Win8 is in many ways an improvement on that. The metro interface is apparently very good on phones and tablets. However, it does not belong on desktop PCs, and there lies the problem. By trying to force Metro on people who didnt want it, they shot themselves in the foot. Imagine if Apple forced iOS onto MacOS users - there would be a similar uproar.
 
They should have just added more breadcrumbs so people can find stuff easily. That is the main reason why i will not recommend windows 8 to anyone. Took me few months to find basic stuff that under windows 7 most people will find under 10 min.
 
While some PC users lamented the loss of the “start” button on Windows 8, Milanesi said it would be a mistake for Microsoft to turn the clock back
Translation:

We made a big mistake, we are going to look like complete dumbasses if we put it back.
 
sorry i hate the new windows8 look. for touch screens maybe but for normal pc's it sucks.
 
Still gonna stick with win 7, release a proper desktop and i will upgrade, not your poor excuse to force your failing tablet and smartphone OS down our throats
 
This seems like spin. Windows Blue was planned before Windows 8 even launched.
+1

Because not a single app existed for Windows on devices (aka Metro), MSFT had to kickstart Metro app development. And the only realistic way of doing that was to "force" it into the new version. It was deeply discussed and argued inside before Win8 release, and a very risk decision, but the alternative was even riskier. If it was optional, 99% of devs would have ignored it, and no headway would ever have been made in building up a Win-On-Devices (Metro) apps base, with very deleterious long-term consequences.

MSFT had no real option but to shove Metro in everyone's faces. They pretty much knew most corporates would in any case ignore Win8 even if perfect (they were just going to Win7), and that users would moan, but it was the only way to get devs learning Windows for Devices - and on that depends very much indeed.

"Developers! Developers! Deverlopers!!" Remember steveb's rant? Without apps, nothing drives installed base.

With 100 million Win8s out there, Metro already has double the installed base of Apple Mac. And though perhaps most don't use it, at least they've tasted it ... and above all, there's a target installed base to attract developers.

I suspect that the final decision on whether Blue contains Start and boot-to-desktop depends on how MSFT assesses the state of Metro app development in July/Aug. Can Metro stand on its own? If not, MSFT has no future on devices. It's a beeeg Q.
 
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