Minimum wage rises by 8.5%

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SauRoNZA said:
Oh I’m not debating that it has real world effects.

But the unemployed and the minimum wage really have nothing to do with each other.
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Thinking about this some more. I was watching a video about an automatic apple picking machine.

Let's say you need to employ 100 staff at minimum wage to pick your orchards. The government now raises the minimum wage. At some point, the cost of the automatic picking machine will crossover with the cost of labor.

If the farmer now buys that machine it makes say 95 out of those 100 staff members redundant.

The crossover point will obvious differ from industry to industry as tech is available etc but the cost of labor directly affects employment numbers.
 
Harmonic said:
Thinking about this some more. I was watching a video about an automatic apple picking machine.

Let's say you need to employ 100 staff at minimum wage to pick your orchards. The government now raises the minimum wage. At some point, the cost of the automatic picking machine will crossover with the cost of labor.

If the farmer now buys that machine it makes say 95 out of those 100 staff members redundant.

The crossover point will obvious differ from industry to industry as tech is available etc but the cost of labor directly affects employment numbers.
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Add to it the labour laws, even if that apple machine can only do 50 apples it might be considered, instead of dealing with the government's destructive policies.

Never mind Unions.
 
Harmonic said:
Thinking about this some more. I was watching a video about an automatic apple picking machine.

Let's say you need to employ 100 staff at minimum wage to pick your orchards. The government now raises the minimum wage. At some point, the cost of the automatic picking machine will crossover with the cost of labor.

If the farmer now buys that machine it makes say 95 out of those 100 staff members redundant.

The crossover point will obvious differ from industry to industry as tech is available etc but the cost of labor directly affects employment numbers.
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In that context I see your correlation.
 
RedViking said:
Add to it the labour laws, even if that apple machine can only do 50 apples it might be considered, instead of dealing with the government's destructive policies.

Never mind Unions.
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That's also true. That includes dealing with the staff themselves. Sick leave/maternity leave/stealing etc
 
RedViking said:
No, take a step back.

I made a comment. You responded (to my comment) with something completely out of context of what I said, probably assuming I have read some other posts of yours and somehow thought my post must have been in context of something you posted somewhere. You then carried on to tag my in other posts completely unrelated to what I posted. You then continued to create a post where I am the main protagonist that had nothing to do with me or what i said.

My only conclusion is that you have done some early morning drinking.
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Here is your first post.... not replying to any of the forst 6 posts on the thread...
RedViking said:
Still cheap as chips. Make it easier to employ and more people will have jobs.
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So if that is not replying to the real effect of of the MW, then please tell me what context I'm missing out on.

p.s. So far, I have you disagreeing with me, then agreeing with me - albeit while insulting me (probably for expecting you to think before you speak) - and now you are saying my original reply was completely out of context, so I must be drunk.
 
RedViking said:
Still cheap as chips. Make it easier to employ and more people will have jobs.
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@lexity

I now see the massive confusion. My English.

What i said was not that rising the MW makes it easier to employ. No, I said that MW is still cheap as chips (for general domestics), but Goverment needs to make it easier to employ people. More people will have jobs if goverment made it easier to employ and remove the destructive labour laws and policies. Specially around hire and fire.
 
lexity said:
Here is your first post.... not replying to any of the forst 6 posts on the thread...


So if that is not replying to the real effect of of the MW, then please tell me what context I'm missing out on.

p.s. So far, I have you disagreeing with me, then agreeing with me - albeit while insulting me (probably for expecting you to think before you speak) - and now you are saying my original reply was completely out of context.
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See my post above.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Oh I’m not debating that it has real world effects.

But the unemployed and the minimum wage really have nothing to do with each other.
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why? if I can afford R10 / hour but the government forces me to pay R27.55, then what I am going to do? I do the job myself, correct? then 1 person will not have a job, no?
 
DreamKing said:
why? if I can afford R10 / hour but the government forces me to pay R27.55, then what I am going to do? I do the job myself, correct? then 1 person will not have a job, no?
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Employ them for less hours?

I see your meaning though, but I feel the problem of being abused at large is a far bigger one than these hypothetical edge cases.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Employee them for less hours?

I see your meaning though, but I feel the problem of being abused at large is a far bigger one than these hypothetical edge cases.
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you think that is the abuse? what about you have zero instead? is that the abuse of the government?
if the person can't survive for the wage, he will leave the job, as simple as that. think about that.
 
RedViking said:
You then carried on to tag my in other posts completely unrelated to what I posted.
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I cut 'n pasted your reply to the stock:

'what?, you expect me to read a full paragraph, on as serious a topic as unnecessary unemployment of tens of millions?!!!

What craziness is this, lexity???'
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It seemed appropriate at the time.

I forgot that you might actually be tagged by it, at the time, so if you preferred I didn't do it in future, then fine, no problem.
 
SauRoNZA said:
But then you can’t call it a wage…so actually it makes no (zero) sense as a statement.

It’s just stupid word play that amounts to saying nothing while trying to sound clever.
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It's a silly word salad.
 
SauRoNZA said:
But then you can’t call it a wage…so actually it makes no (zero) sense as a statement.

It’s just stupid word play that amounts to saying nothing while trying to sound clever.
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It's worse than word play, it's destructive to workers. Because until you get a job, you're earning zero. And with government prescribing minimum salaries, they're not going to get jobs...
 
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