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That "documentary" is a joke, as witnessed by that clip.

It is him speaking, isn't it? Are you saying they chopped and changed his words? They did a freaking good job if that's the case.

When people use clips of you to deliberately mislead their viewers you may want them to own up to it a fix their bullsh*t.

Fair enough but it doesn't explain why he wouldn't go on CNN for example and say "Just for the record, I'd like to make it clear that the Science Channel fudged my words in xyz show and blah blah..."

No idea, but nothing he said has anything to do with aliens as far as I can tell.

Uh, ok. He must be talking about the Russians then. Move along, people. Nothing to see here.
 
It is him speaking, isn't it? Are you saying they chopped and changed his words? They did a freaking good job if that's the case.

They left out where he explained what he saw and how they came to the conclusion of what it really was. Read the bad astronomer article linked earlier.

Fair enough but it doesn't explain why he wouldn't go on CNN for example and say "Just for the record, I'd like to make it clear that the Science Channel fudged my words in xyz show and blah blah..."

He has said exactly that. I have no idea what CNN has to do with anything though.

Uh, ok. He must be talking about the Russians then. Move along, people. Nothing to see here.

:rolleyes:

What does he say? He says people will ask who put it there, his answer - the universe put it there (or if you prefer, god). In other words - natural not alien. What does any of what he said there have to do with aliens?
 
http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

Apollo Astronaut Chats About UFO, Alien Belief

Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell returned from his mission to the moon a changed man. He has spent the last 35 years trying to use the tools of science to figure out what happened.

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IK: You mean what had been told to you was true?

EM: Yup, in other words. There was a UFO crash. There was an alien spacecraft. This gentleman tried his damndest to get me in and like so many others in the administration over the last 60 years, since JFK's time, was unable to. He was told 'Admiral, you don't have a need to know, and therefore go get lost,' essentially.

IK: Have you ever come out and said who this person was who briefed you?

EM: No, I have not.

IK: Would you at some point?

EM: No, it is out and around but I don't feel like I have the liberty to do that.

IK: When did you have your meeting at the Pentagon?

EM: It was in the late '90s in Washington when I was there working with The Disclosure Project, trying to get all those opened up with another Naval officer by the name of Will Miller and Steven Greer, who you probably heard of. Steven and I don't really work on this anymore together, but we did at that point and getting to the Pentagon and seeing what we could do there to try to get this opened up.

IK: Why do you think the government hasn't acknowledged that there is life outside of Earth? I thought that was sort of the point of NASA.

EM: Well most people in government don't know. The government is highly compartmentalized. You could work next door to somebody for 30 years not knowing what they're doing in certain areas. The whole point of all of this ... goes back to World War II. This Roswell incident took place right at the aftermath of World War II when the U.S. Army Air Corps was split off and became the Air Force and the OSS (Office of Strategic Services), which was the intelligence service of World War II, was disbanded and eventually became the CIA. At that point the Cold War was just starting to move under way and we were at odds with the Soviets.

The Air Force was brand new and supposedly in control of the skies and didn't know what they were doing, and the CIA didn't know what they were doing, so Pres. Truman was in a big problem here: Here people were telling him there were aliens around and nobody knew if they were hostile or what they were and what was he going to do about it?

So he formed a committee, a very high-level military and academic and intelligent people -- politically powerful people -- and said 'You guys work on this.' And that was called ... the MAJIC 12. And they did pass a National Security Act, or so I'm told, under highly classified auspices, that gave this committee virtually unlimited power to deal with this issue, which they have done for the last 60 years, slowly excluding everybody -- including presidents.

You may remember that Pres. Clinton tried to send (Webster) Hubbell to find out about this at Wright Patterson. He got rejected. And Barry Goldwater, back in the '60s when he was getting ready to run for the presidency and who was a brigadier general in the Air Force Reserve tried to get information about it. He got rejected. And I'm told that Jerry Ford tried to do some finding out and he got rejected.

Jimmy Carter announced his observation of UFOs, but that never went anywhere so obviously he made no progress. Only in recent years has the public interest become acute enough and enough stories leaked out so that people are starting to believe that it's all real. And the fact of the matter is, it is.

They're still around and there's a lot of stuff going on.

Are you aware of the so-called Phoenix Lights Incident? That wasn't our stuff.

IK: I'm sorry. Can you say that again?

EM: Lights. Just a few years ago. Three humongous craft flew over Phoenix, very slowly in the middle of the night that clearly were not -- I happened to be on the phone with people out there when that happened and have had pictures of it -- clearly those were not, to those of us who know aviation and spacecraft, clearly those were not local stuff, home-grown stuff.

IK: So you're saying the incidences are becoming more prevalent among the general public? People are having their own sightings?

EM: Just several weeks ago, this so-called incident at Stephenville, in Stephenville, Texas. Another one. And naturally a lot of discounting and unfortunately the press, the giggle factor got up and the press tended to ignore it, but the fact of the matter is this is the real stuff we're dealing with. We're not alone in the universe. And it has nothing to do with NASA. As far as I know it has to do with what's going on and has been going on for a long time.

IK: As a man of science and engineering, how did you make this leap from doing what you needed to do to be an astronaut to what you're doing today?

EM: Because I was told by people who were utterly sworn to secrecy under severe penalty if they talked and because I'd been to the moon, because I was a local resident of Roswell when the so-called Roswell incident took place, some of them thought I was a safe person to tell before they passed on so that the knowledge didn't die. There are others like me, people out here who have done an enormous amount of investigation who have seen through the facade and seen through the cover-up and can talk chapter and verse, better than I can. We know it's real.

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IK: What's the tie-in between this pursuit and your experiences with understanding that there are other life forms that have come to Earth?

EM: Well it's just an extension of the cosmology of what's this whole universe about and what are we about and coming to the conclusion that we are not alone. That's some of the most important knowledge that we could discover.

I suppose Edgar Mitchell and the other half dozen astronauts are lying too :rolleyes:
 
IC did you watch the clip, i am almost certain you did not watch it.

As flanders asked did they edit that or was it him speaking? I heard hi clearly say very interesting things that could only mean what he said. he never said anything about the russians or a panel in that interview so WTf are you on about?

Who are they? good question, no doubt they exist and try control things of alien nature so it does not get out.
 
Aliens?

Yeah they are very real!
Alien = Demonic Manifestation.
Demons are powerful creatures and can manifest in many
different forms.
Nothing old Lucifer enjoys more than to poison man's mind.

Blessings:cool:
 
Yeah they are very real!
Alien = Demonic Manifestation.
Demons are powerful creatures and can manifest in many
different forms.
Nothing old Lucifer enjoys more than to poison man's mind.

Blessings:cool:

Wow dude 4 posts and already you are talkin kuk, welcome to the forums haha.
 
Yeah they are very real!
Alien = Demonic Manifestation.
Demons are powerful creatures and can manifest in many
different forms.
Nothing old Lucifer enjoys more than to poison man's mind.

Blessings:cool:

now this is a pearler...are you a friend of rza?
 
IC did you watch the clip, i am almost certain you did not watch it.

As flanders asked did they edit that or was it him speaking? I heard hi clearly say very interesting things that could only mean what he said. he never said anything about the russians or a panel in that interview so WTf are you on about?

Who are they? good question, no doubt they exist and try control things of alien nature so it does not get out.

This is getting tiring. I watched the clip, this is what he says:

"There was something out there that was close enough to be observed and what could it be?"

Queue claptrap from the idiot voice over - "if it wasn't part of the rocket it could only be one thing - a UFO". As you can see this is utter crap from the writers of this so called documentary.

Back to Aldrin - he describes looking at it through the telescope - ellipses, L shaped.

Then more claptrap.

Aldrin again saying how they didn't jump on the radio and and say "omfg aliens!" (unlike some people on here) and decided to find out if it was the SIVB. Upon hearing how far the SIVB was they decided it wasn't that but got on with the mission.

Now - queue the retard voice over "it was never offically acknowledge or identified". How dramatic.

So what does any of what Aldrin said have to do with aliens?

More importantly:

the way to the Moon, the astronauts saw something out their porthole they couldn't identify, and it appeared to be following them. They figured it might be the booster rocket that put them on their way to the Moon. The rocket, called an SIVB, had accelerated them out of Earth orbit two days earlier, and when they disconnected from it they maneuvered away. Two days later, their different orbits had separated them substantially. When the crew spotted their bogey, they called Houston control and asked how far away the booster was... and were told it was 6000 nautical miles distant-- way too far to be whatever it was they were seeing. Michael Collins, the Command Module pilot, looked at the object through the on-board telescope and said it was changing shape, sometimes looking elliptical, and other times looking L-shaped.

So what was it? UFO people have made a lot of hay from this story, and the show itself makes quite a bit of drama over it:

Buzz Aldrin: There was something out there that was close enough to be observed-- what could it be?
Narrator: If it wasn't a part of their rocket, it could only be one thing: a UFO.

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. First, a UFO is any unidentified object, but using the acronym strongly implies an alien spaceship. Also, by definition, if it wasn't part of the rocket, it was unidentified, so it had to be a UFO. Duh.

The program then goes on to say:

To this day whatever it was the crew saw has not been positively identified or even publicly acknowledged.
However, this isn't entirely correct. It has been identified.

My friend David Morrison, who is an astronomer at NASA Ames in California, answers questions sent in to the Ask an Astrobiologist website. He got this very question! Here's his answer:

I just talked to Buzz Aldrin on the phone, and he notes that the quotations were taken out of context and did not convey the intended meaning. After the Apollo 11 crew verified that the object they were seeing was not the SIVB upper stage, which was about 6000 miles away at that time, they concluded that they were probably seeing one of the panels from the separation of the spacecraft from the upper stage. These panels were not tracked from Earth and were likely much closer to the Apollo spacecraft. They chose not to discuss this on the open communications channel since they were concerned that their comments might be misinterpreted (as they are being now). Apparently all of this discussion about the panels was cut from the broadcast interview, thus giving the impression that they had seen a UFO.
The service and command module stack that sent the astronauts to the Moon was inside the SIVB booster. The SIVB had four panels which opened up like flower petals to release the crew, as shown in this illustration:


The panels were ejected, and would follow roughly the same path as the astronauts themselves. The panels were curved, and as they rotated would present different profiles to the astronauts, explaining the different shapes Michael Collins claimed he saw through the telescope.

There's your UFO, folks.

But, far worse, is what Buzz said to Dr. Morrison about the interview. The show took his words out of context to make it seem like they were seeing a UFO. That is unforgivable! I understand that TV folks want to inflate some stories to make them more dramatic, and I also understand small errors like the ones I outlined above. But quoting out of context is basically lying, and is truly awful.

Then, to make the show that much more dramatic, they say

Against all odds, Apollo 11 was coming home.
That's just bad writing. It wasn't against all odds. The odds were significantly in favor of this mission working! Every part had been tested, every procedure. In fact, the show itself discusses several incidents where prior planning had saved the day. NASA knew things would go wrong, and had either planned for that contingency, or had practiced things so many times that the astronauts would be able to handle unexpected problems.

This is one of the things that irritates me most about some of the documentaries about Apollo, as well as Moon hoax believers in general. Apollo wasn't just some wacky scheme cobbled together by a handful of people-- it was a carefully planned, heavily-practiced, and expertly-executed program that had the brains of hundreds of thousands of people behind it.

It was one of the singular great achievements of humankind: sending men to another world, exploring it, and bringing them home again. Isn't that exciting enough?


Did you even bother to read this when I linked it? I doubt it, just like I doubt you'll read it now despite it being posted inline...
 
http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

I suppose Edgar Mitchell and the other half dozen astronauts are lying too :rolleyes:

Possibly, I have no idea about him or his story. Tell me this though, how many astronauts have there been in total vs the half dozen who say they saw aliens?


As I said in that thread - that list is utter bullsh*t as witnessed by the presence of Aldrin and Armstrong's names on that list.

At this point I am wondering if it is even worth the effort to bother engaging with you at all on this topic as you just ignore anything that doesn't suit your point of view.
 
Possibly, I have no idea about him or his story. Tell me this though, how many astronauts have there been in total vs the half dozen who say they saw aliens?

As I said in that thread - that list is utter bullsh*t as witnessed by the presence of Aldrin and Armstrong's names on that list.

Who knows if they saw? Would they also come forward? Most people rather don't, for obvious reasons.
Hmmm, okay :rolleyes:
 
Yes i read it and they basically wrote it off as not being a UFO without reason other than some panel.

As much as the person speaking said it was a UFO they just said it was not without actually having a clue if it was or was not.
 
Yes i read it and they basically wrote it off as not being a UFO without reason other than some panel.

As much as the person speaking said it was a UFO they just said it was not without actually having a clue if it was or was not.

They gave an explanation for what it was, based on science and facts rather than hot air. If you cannot get this at least then there really is no point talking to you, you are beyond hope.
 
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