Murder down 30% since 1994, but perceptions different.

Exactly, and it wasn't that long ago cos I'm under 30.
My brother and I rode around on our bikes kilometers away from home. All day long. And not ncessarily together either. No one had to worry.
And being non-white, we lived in what would've then been to referred to as an unsavoury area.

I sleep with the doors unlocked. There's not a single part of my hood I wouldn't feel safe to walk around in at anytime of the day. I often ride my bike to work. I think again it's your warped perception more than any real danger. It's all in your mind like the ballies with their "swaart gevaar" lunacy. Ever considered that ?
 
Their is A LOT of controversy around the doctoring of the crime stats, don't see these as anything different. Believe what you want, the facts speak for themselves crime is far from better, it is much worse.

Which facts exactly? Unless you're gathering your own data -doing your own research- a doctored report is still better evidence then simply asserting, 'crime is worse because I think it is'.

Anecdotes are worthless when it comes to determining crime statistics. Considering that most murders happen in poor areas, (areas you've probably never visited before), how on earth can your gut feeling tell you what is happening there? It is also entirely possible that national crime statistics have gone down, but in your particular neighborhood they have gone up.
 
Firstly, at most, only 1 of the world's religions is true

OT: LOL...I had a good laugh at this. If you can show me scientific proof that proves said religion is true then please do so. And which religion are you referring to?
 
I sleep with the doors unlocked. There's not a single part of my hood I wouldn't feel safe to walk around in at anytime of the day. I often ride my bike to work. I think again it's your warped perception more than any real danger. It's all in your mind like the ballies with their "swaart gevaar" lunacy. Ever considered that ?

And prey tell, what neighborhood do u live in?
 
world cup 2010 window dressing is all that those stats are, you cant scare away the tourists now can we, so murder is slightly down, rape, hijacking, mall robberies, house breaking these can all lead to potential deaths(murder) do they count people killed in those crimes as murder?

Johannesburg - South Africa has made little progress in its war against violent crime, official statistics showed Tuesday, as the country prepares to host the football World Cup in nine months time.

New figures showed 50 people are still murdered each day in the country and another 50 the victims of an attempted murder.

Between April 2008 and March 2009, 18,148 people were murdered, or about 49.7 people every day, down only fractionally from 18,487 the previous year, the South African Police Service statistics showed.

A further 18,298 people suffered an attempt on their life, also also marginally down on 2007/20008, while the number of sexual offences, carjackings and robberies with aggravating circumstances had all increased over the past 12 months.

The statistics show that efforts by government to improve security in the run-up to the World Cup, including recruiting thousands more police officers, have yet to yield siginificant results.

South Africa, however, points to its strong record in hosting international events and sporting tournaments as proof that it can secure the tournament.

Of significance is the fact that this year's statistics, which were delayed for three months, did not, unlike previous years, give a breakdown for rape.

South Africa's rape rates are believed to be among the highest - if not the highest - in the world. Last year's statistics showed around 132 cases of rape were reported each day, with the real figure believed to be much higher because most cases go unreported.

The police this year only gave an aggregated figure for sexual offences, which totalled 71,500 in total, a 12 per cent increase on the 2007/2008 figure.

The number of carjackings, where robbers surround drivers and hijack their cars at gunpoint, had increased to 14,915 from 14, 201 a year ago.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...outh-Africa-murder-rate-official-figures-show
 
OT: Their is A LOT of controversy around the doctoring of the crime stats, don't see these as anything different. Believe what you want, the facts speak for themselves crime is far from better, it is much worse.

LOL! Based on what? Because you say so?

And when you refer to crimes, which crimes specifically?
 
Which facts exactly? Unless you're gathering your own data -doing your own research- a doctored report is still better evidence then simply asserting, 'crime is worse because I think it is'.

Anecdotes are worthless when it comes to determining crime statistics. Considering that most murders happen in poor areas, (areas you've probably never visited before), how on earth can your gut feeling tell you what is happening there? It is also entirely possible that national crime statistics have gone down, but in your particular neighborhood they have gone up.

Well the facts I reffer to are as simple as Pre 1994 I was mugged/hijacked/broken in to a total of 0 times, post 1994 I have been mugged 3 times in various different area's, etc. Hijacked once and been broken into twice.
The above rings true for 90% of my friends and family. The facts I reffer to are from more than just research...
 
world cup 2010 window dressing is all that those stats are, you cant scare away the tourists now can we, so murder is slightly down, rape, hijacking, mall robberies, house breaking these can all lead to potential deaths(murder) do they count people killed in those crimes as murder?



http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...outh-Africa-murder-rate-official-figures-show

Or maybe the massive social upliftment of the poor also..shock horror.....brought down crime. South Africa has 50 000 people every month who move from townships to middle classed housing in the past 10 years of economic expansion. That's 5 million less people who can be described as poor. Beyond that a further 5-10 million have been given housing, electricity and running water as well as free medical care , education and government pension and social grants. You think none of this is going to mean less crime ?

Wow...what an unobjective cynic with a simplistic view and understanding of crime and basic social conditioning. People who have something to lose are far less likely to engage in risky or violent behavior. More people with something to lose equals less violent crime. End of story.
 
OT: LOL...I had a good laugh at this. If you can show me scientific proof that proves said religion is true then please do so. And which religion are you referring to?

Learn to read, idiot. I said at most one religion is true. I didn't assert that any specific religion is true. The point is that any religious person will agree that only 1 religion, at most, can be true, thus proving that billions of people have a false perception and therefore proving the absurdity of the claim that lots of people thinking the same thing can't be wrong.
 
From here.



While the murder rate here is still very high (less so if you're white as only 1 in 33 murders happens to white people). Given such a massive decrease in murders why the perception that the murder rate has gone up ? What is it about the White South African psyche that makes us so neurotic and needlessly cynical ?

Discuss.

Since you insist on bringing race into this, I have to wonder how much "white" murders have increased or decreased since '94... got stats for that?
 
Well the facts I reffer to are as simple as Pre 1994 I was mugged/hijacked/broken in to a total of 0 times, post 1994 I have been mugged 3 times in various different area's, etc. Hijacked once and been broken into twice.
The above rings true for 90% of my friends and family. The facts I reffer to are from more than just research...

lol at the 90%. Come now, try be a little honest with yourself and us ok ? Throw around hyperbole won't make your lies any more true.

And I know I don't live in JHB but my family did for years and even though most of them hated the place they also rolls their eyes when people talk about how "Almost everyone I know was hijacked" type rubbish.
 
I sleep with the doors unlocked. There's not a single part of my hood I wouldn't feel safe to walk around in at anytime of the day. I often ride my bike to work. I think again it's your warped perception more than any real danger. It's all in your mind like the ballies with their "swaart gevaar" lunacy. Ever considered that ?

OT> What language are you speaking?

But back to the matter at hand, I don't where you live but you're quite fortunate. I suppose you don't understand what it means to be a young female and an easy target.
I good friend of mine lived in an up-market area in Pretoria (Lynnwood). Some fellow, perhaps sharing the mentality that anything but murder is a petty crime and thus not a big deal, broke into her family's home (while I everyone was home I might add) and raped her in her own bed with her parents sleeping next door... Using the threat that if she made a peep, he'd rape her mother too and then kill both parents and her younger brother.

Ah well, suppose I'm fighting a losing battle with you.
Don't worry though, in this country, it's just a matter of time till everyone has a turn. When yours comes along (and yes WHEN not IF), you'll be singing a very different song mate.
 
As a foreigner living in South Africa since 1993, this is my personal experience in S Africa:

Robbed by armed gang once personally, company colleague robbed in front of bank by armed gang once, witness my neighbors robbed by armed gang once, company broken into twice, and about half of my friends have been robbed by armed gang.

that versus

Number of my relatives, friends, friends of friends and friends of relatives who have been robbed by armed gang oversea since I was born = zero

Although this is hardly scientific, nobody can tell me there isn't a serious crime problem in this country. The first step is to admit there is a problem.
 
lol i answered your question ;) ... but looking at your nick maybe you could give us more accurate stats ;)
Ahh, someone who judges points made by a forum nickname. In that case we should automatically assume that you talk BS based on yours :)

The point is that this thread is about murder rates. If you want to question the validity of crime in it's entirety then start a new thread.
 
Since you insist on bringing race into this, I have to wonder how much "white" murders have increased or decreased since '94... got stats for that?
True perception is everything, doesn't marine1 constantly remind us of the ongoing genocide of white people in this country? Even when it's pointed out to him that (by numbers & %'s), other races are at the sharper end of the murder stick!
 
Murder may have decreased but violent home robberies have increased. As well as people getting shot in hijackings. So yea, less murder (and i rate they have changed the way they define a murder in those 15 year and thats y the stats are so low) but the chances of a person being murdered in or around their home has gone up!! This is what has everyone rattled!
 
True perception is everything, doesn't marine1 constantly remind us of the ongoing genocide of white people in this country? Even when it's pointed out to him that (by numbers & %'s), other races are at the sharper end of the murder stick!
Careful, every time you question marine1, he cries about it being anti-semitic :p
 
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