Mweb BAN at what point?

I am Penguin said:
They ban anyone at leisure that use their Internet as advertised. If you have to use it according to their ..... TOS/T&C/CEO thrills ... then you may as well stick with the better options like now Axxess, Afrihost (dear me) and OpenWeb.
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That is misinformation, not just astonishing ignorance and arrogance.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Are you downloading in any way which is in contravention of the T&C or otherwise using your connection in a way which is in contravention of the T&C?
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Duh - do you think he sat there and watched the +-200G download?
 
Gatecrasher said:
That is misinformation, not just astonishing ignorance and arrogance.
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You obviously have not read the T&C suit yourself.

Do you watch your "Attended" downloads full time? Else you are against the T&C. The others I mentioned do not have such BS. The fact that the MWEB CEO came to "defend" their actions speaks volumes.
 
I am Penguin said:
You obviously have not read the T&C suit yourself.

Do you watch your "Attended" downloads full time? Else you are against the T&C. The others I mentioned do not have such BS. The fact that the MWEB CEO came to "defend" their actions speaks volumes.
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.. So does this mean they're banning people at their leisure? Also I just reread the terms from their website and this clause isn't anywhere on there any more, apparently they removed it after complaints about the uncapped product. Of course there are all the usual ones about them being able to discontinue your service at their sole discretion etc etc, which all other ISPs will have anyway. So what they put in the terms isn't really as important as how they enforce them.
 
I am Penguin said:
You obviously have not read the T&C suit yourself.

Do you watch your "Attended" downloads full time? Else you are against the T&C. The others I mentioned do not have such BS. The fact that the MWEB CEO came to "defend" their actions speaks volumes.
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We've discussed this at length several times in various threads. I hardly think MWeb is at all interested in users leaving downloads running while doing other things; no-one watches their downloads and turns them off when going to make coffee, obviously.

They are interested in users who queue up HTTP downloads to run at line speed, unattended, constantly, for the entire month.
 
Alestorm said:
.. So does this mean they're banning people at their leisure? Also I just reread the terms from their website and this clause isn't anywhere on there any more, apparently they removed it after complaints about the uncapped product. Of course there are all the usual ones about them being able to discontinue your service at their sole discretion etc etc, which all other ISPs will have anyway. So what they put in the terms isn't really as important as how they enforce them.
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Which clause is not there anymore? The "periodic, active" use of the service is still included.
 
SabreWolfy said:
We've discussed this at length several times in various threads. I hardly think MWeb is at all interested in users leaving downloads running while doing other things; no-one watches their downloads and turns them off when going to make coffee, obviously.

They are interested in users who queue up HTTP downloads to run at line speed, unattended, constantly, for the entire month.
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What if you leave them running and remote desktop to your machine, say from work, actively monitoring the downloads and their progress?
 
Osiris85 said:
What if you leave them running and remote desktop to your machine, say from work, actively monitoring the downloads and their progress?
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You're asking the wrong person - he's not MWEB - as much as he likes to think he is the source of their true T&C.
 
xrapidx said:
It says only for periodic use.
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Oh, damn that's one hidden line. It's almost randomly inserted in-between what you can't do on the non-business accounts.

In any case my point is there are far worse clauses in that contract, and probably in every other ISP's in the country.

eg: "You may not use the ADSL service in a way that in MWEB’s sole discretion constitutes abuse of the ADSL Service or of MWEB’s systems."
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"We may take any other action we deem appropriate in order to help ensure the integrity of the network experience for all subscribers."

What they actually kick people off for would just be their usage and the way in which they download, i.e full speed sources continuously. That clause hardly matters.
 
Osiris85 said:
What if you leave them running and remote desktop to your machine, say from work, actively monitoring the downloads and their progress?
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Good question. Either way, constant (HTTP) downloading at line speed 24/7 is not acceptable on shaped accounts.
 
Osiris85 said:
What if you leave them running and remote desktop to your machine, say from work, actively monitoring the downloads and their progress?
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:/ They couldn't care about people looking at downloads. Why would they? They care about their network and the impact of continuous downloading.
 
Alestorm said:
What they actually kick people off for would just be their usage
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Which makes it a capped product. Hence the problem... I mean I know my brother up north got the product, and I also know he will only be downloading over HTTP - purely because he knows no better - so now he'll be considered 'bypassing' their shaping rules if he does it too often.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Good question. Either way, constant (HTTP) downloading at line speed 24/7 is not acceptable on shaped accounts.
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Oh ok cool, though I wont use HTTP download that much ( just for the odd update here and there). What if I use uTorrent and remote into my pc from work to monitor the progress? That way my downloads are not "unattended" and therefore not in contravention to the T&C's right?

They don't have anything against remoting into your machine do they?
 
xrapidx said:
Which makes it a capped product. Hence the problem... I mean I know my brother up north got the product, and I also know he will only be downloading over HTTP - purely because he knows no better - so now he'll be considered 'bypassing' their shaping rules if he does it too often.
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I've literally never heard of someone using the kind of amounts that are considered abuse from just HTTP when they aren't even aware of P2P and those kinds of things to download. What exactly will be downloading if he "knows no better"?

And you're actually thinking about this completely from the wrong angle, their shaping and T&C are in place so that people who are using http get the best service. Your brother will probably be using the service exactly as they intended if he's not going to be downloading tons of movies and series every month.
 
Alestorm said:
I've literally never heard of someone using the kind of amounts that are considered abuse from just HTTP when they aren't even aware of P2P and those kinds of things to download. What exactly will be downloading if he "knows no better"?

And you're actually thinking about this completely from the wrong angle, their shaping and T&C are in place so that people who are using http get the best service. Your brother will probably be using the service exactly as they intended if he's not going to be downloading tons of movies and series every month.
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Rapidshare? Megaupload? Hotfile? Some arb file hosting service thats not on their radar?

Their are quite a few HTTP sources for exactly the same material you'll find in torrent and nntp downloads, I'm not saying http is easier - but for some people, its all they know.... you're right, http is faster, so downloading from an HTTP source could very well use fullline speed, which will get you banned if you use it to much.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Good question. Either way, constant (HTTP) downloading at line speed 24/7 is not acceptable on shaped accounts.
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So if they don't monitor client accounts (as they say),

how would they know which method is in use?

All they see is a cumulating download figure.
 
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