pmurgs
Well-Known Member
Very happy mweb customer here. I am very pleased with mweb's decision to go for free peering or no peering. It will definitely benefit the consumer in the long run. I can't wait to see what mweb shock us with next.
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The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Guys, cut the flaming out and get back to the topic 
MickeyD
RIP
So where is my saving (in MY pocket) now that MWeb have cut all these links and are saving money?
Are the companies that actually own the content on your network not paying you for the bandwidth they use? What companies like Telkom and MTN are doing is charging the content providers for the bandwidth they use getting their content to their users and trying to charge the users for the same bandwidth use. Obviously they're none too pleased now that MWeb has told them they're no longer interested in playing their game.
That still has to come - SHOULD the others do the open peering thing.
Although if what MWEB said in other press releases with regards to it being cheaper to send data internationally and then back - they should already be saving.
kevinswan007
Expert Member
yes mweb are saving currently because of the cheaper peering agreements with international suppliers.
but that just proves how expensive our local peering is.
can someone out there, with intensive knowledge in this care to explain to us the "real" benefits and disadvantages of free local peering?
Here are two article about peering. have a look at the dates and then you can laugh at Telkom and Vodacom.
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/6300-Time-for-open-Internet-exchange.html (Nov 2008)
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/12220-MWEB-offers-free-open-peering.html (April 2010)
“Open peering is a very important part of creating an affordable, efficient internet market in South Africa. It will give users a better internet experience and break the stranglehold that a few large players currently exert over the rest of the market. This is the logical next step to liberating the internet market which we are strongly championing for.”
Go MWEB
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/6300-Time-for-open-Internet-exchange.html (Nov 2008)
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/12220-MWEB-offers-free-open-peering.html (April 2010)
“Open peering is a very important part of creating an affordable, efficient internet market in South Africa. It will give users a better internet experience and break the stranglehold that a few large players currently exert over the rest of the market. This is the logical next step to liberating the internet market which we are strongly championing for.”
Go MWEB
I fully support Mweb in their decision to no longer pay for peering. The other major ISP's are just bitching because somebody had the balls to rock their money boat. Telkom stated in a recent article that Mweb's move "goes against the spirit of the internet community". That's the most laughable comment I have ever heard. Think about it. This, coming from a company that milked, and continues to milk, the telecommunications industry in SA. What do they think the spirit of the internet community is? To screw over customers?
@xrapidx
Why are you moaning about a company that has actually changed the internet landscape in SA for the better? Before Mweb came around the other ISP's were happy to charge R60 per GB for UNSHAPED data. We raved when Afrihost charged R29 per GB but due to the pressure that uncapped internet has placed on them we see that they can easily afford to charge less, even as low as R9.50 per GB. I'm sure they would have been happy to charge that price for as long as they could and we would not have known any better.
The move by Mweb has even forced Telkom's hand, with their desperate and retarded ad brochures and their attempt to cut prices to be more "competitive". Granted Mweb has not been perfect in its implementation of uncapped, but give us an example of a better ISP. Axxess? Afrihost? Have you tried their uncapped? I have. And it's a joke.
@xrapidx
Why are you moaning about a company that has actually changed the internet landscape in SA for the better? Before Mweb came around the other ISP's were happy to charge R60 per GB for UNSHAPED data. We raved when Afrihost charged R29 per GB but due to the pressure that uncapped internet has placed on them we see that they can easily afford to charge less, even as low as R9.50 per GB. I'm sure they would have been happy to charge that price for as long as they could and we would not have known any better.
The move by Mweb has even forced Telkom's hand, with their desperate and retarded ad brochures and their attempt to cut prices to be more "competitive". Granted Mweb has not been perfect in its implementation of uncapped, but give us an example of a better ISP. Axxess? Afrihost? Have you tried their uncapped? I have. And it's a joke.
from my understanding the money saved will go to buying more bandwidth from Telkom to get MWEB's customers onto their network and them more international bandwidth to give MWEB customers better bandwidth. (better oversell ratio).
Gordon_R
Honorary Master
One of the unfortunate 'victims' in this process is the SA Weather Service. The aviation website is hosted on a gateway that goes via SAIX, and for MWeb users this has a severe impact.
I am currently getting a latency of more than 500ms, which makes the site almost unusable (it was always pretty slow anyway). Fortunately the new SAWS site is hosted on IS, which has peering with MWeb.
And please don't let anyone say that in this case SAWS 'content' belongs to the company that provides IP transit!
I am currently getting a latency of more than 500ms, which makes the site almost unusable (it was always pretty slow anyway). Fortunately the new SAWS site is hosted on IS, which has peering with MWeb.
And please don't let anyone say that in this case SAWS 'content' belongs to the company that provides IP transit!
Probably - because as I stated so many times - I'm only getting 10-50KB MAX on my 4MB connection - not exactly close to uncapped 4mb is it? Its not even a quarter.
The peering will mostly affect the upstream direction, while aDSL users mostly feel the downstream direction? (And the depeering should also result in local-only accounts not being able to access Mweb, potentially leading to Mweb users being banned from local-only services (war3.co.za, local torrent / DC hubs / nzb indexes / other game servers)?)
It should just be slower, not broken...
Which is what Mweb is refusing to pay?
Mweb is taking a gamble with a potential high cost for their users and customers (Someone on a local-only account won't be able to access News24 anymore) with the hope that it will eventually provide a cheaper environment to operate in for smaller players. (Mweb is quite large, but smaller ISPs might also benefit if more providers are present at the ISPA peering points)
Good luck getting TELKOM to budge they to busy pushing millions into there latest brain fart 8.ta no doubt funded by our insatiable need for over priced bandwidth. It's been months since MWEB went all you can eat uncapped, others followed TELKOM still content with milking us dry.
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
MWEB is the best thing since air. Thanks for taking this bold step MWEB.
You use news servers and despite having been presented with the cold hard facts that it is not designed for file sharing you continued to argue against it. Basically what I am saying is your opinion does not count because it is based on doing the wrong thing repetitively.
Go back to BelTel.
Thanks for taking this bold step MWEB.Uhm, it is actually MWEB being consumer centric and the few industry players rying to disguise a basic financial decision.
You use news servers and despite having been presented with the cold hard facts that it is not designed for file sharing you continued to argue against it. Basically what I am saying is your opinion does not count because it is based on doing the wrong thing repetitively.
Go back to BelTel.
Actually - I've tried everything, same results - now bugger off and troll elsewhere (troll opinions are just plain annoying).... can't believe they allow bloody trolls on this forum.
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Nice1. Only smart kids like me that know their protocols.
Rocket-Boy
Honorary Master
Meh opinions are just opinions, xrapidx you didnt like mweb, get over it and stop trolling here then. You have nothing valid to input and everything you say is negative so you are trolling.
Im still really keen to see what happens with mweb's move.
The only thing I dont get(actually I do, but it makes no sense) is why ICASA havent climbed in and insisted on open peering. Sure they make more money when telscum makes more money but it goes against what their actual purpose is to just leave it.
Im still really keen to see what happens with mweb's move.
The only thing I dont get(actually I do, but it makes no sense) is why ICASA havent climbed in and insisted on open peering. Sure they make more money when telscum makes more money but it goes against what their actual purpose is to just leave it.
Yes - because my opinion is different to yours - its trolling. How about you and Rouxenator start a little MWEB fan club?
If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it - its as simple as that.
If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it - its as simple as that.
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