MWeb Uncapped Abuse Warnings

[Necuno]

seems like someone actually hasn't finished school yet...awesome spelling there buddy and really thoughtful insults.

and i dare you say that i have extremely narrorw views of the world. i'll give you a hint....it's spelled color, not colour.

< insert facepalm smiley >

 

[Bryn]

If you guys had real jobs, you would understand the need for big data. Go look at it, it's happening around you.

Movies is but one part, but when doing research you sometimes have to get Gbs and Gbs of raw information to work through. Like I said before, just because you guys watch porn and pirate movies doesn't mean the internet just revolves around that.

As for subxero, I'm sure you have a great life outside of the internet. Why are you here? Go knock on some doors on a Sunday and spread your gospel!

If your needs exceed the fair usage agreement (ie. Mweb asks you to stop what you're doing), then you need to get an unshaped uncapped account. What's the problem?

 

[Space_Chief]

Agreed, this whatwhat guy is so funny.

I have friends in the video editing industry that upload and download for clients overseas and they ship huge amounts of data up and down. They do on average 400 - 600gb a month. And guess what? It runs on a bonded business unshaped adsl connection. They pay for the service but it's meant for that purpose.

400-600GB per month is not a "huge" amount of data. Definitely not for RAW SD, let alone RAW HD 1080p24 video.
Now that 4K (and higher) RED CAMERAS are becoming cheap it should be obvious what sort of data one would need.
The business ADSL connection is called business because of assured reliability and support. The ISP has to fix problems within a certain time, they have to have alternative routes etc. They have to assure constant throughput quality and need to have 24/7 telephone support. None of this comes standard with a consumer grade product which is only a best effort affair, hence these consumer products are cheaper.

The amount of data you pulling yourself , you should strongly consider going the same route ( You can afford it ).

Unless he requires what I mentioned above, I don't see why he shouldn't have the option to use an UNCAPPED consumer product.

I wonder what the true doctors at universities pull data wise for their research in a month ...

Not a lot, several GBs max. But I think he referred to downloading movies to watch them when the doctor spouse is off duty.

The point is, you have a narcissistic personality that makes you think you are better in all aspects of life than others. I wonder if you keep on with you little conquest for prove MWeb wrong and they show you logs , if all your data is what you say it is. ( Or are you just a keyboard ninja? )

Irrelevant and unnecessary ad hominem. So what if you think he has a narcissistic personality disorder. BTW That has been dropped from the latest DSM-IV TR manual.

One moment it's streaming HD movies, then it's downloading for viewing another time, and then it's for research. Just stop already and accept the fact that you were given warning about you excessive usage.

TV services like NetFlix can easily use up 200GB per month. And there actually are legal foreign TV streaming services for ordinary users. Cost is 20 Euro or so per month. They're marketed at ordinary users. Which the MWEB consumer product is marketed at. Nothing illegal.

Oh yes, and attacking people personally because you can't defend yourself properly speaks volumes of you.

Irrelevant. Besides if he has narcissistic personality disorder he is allowed to do that, what's your excuse?

 

[Space_Chief]

If your needs exceed the fair usage agreement (ie. Mweb asks you to stop what you're doing), then you need to get an unshaped uncapped account. What's the problem?

The problem is that the fair usage agreement isn't really an agreement. To agree on something you have to know what you're agreeing to. If MWEB won't divulge exactly what is abusive ahead of time I don't think they are entering the deal in good faith and are not making it reasonable for anyone to know whether the product is for them or not. Cut offs should be fixed and mentioned firmly in the TOS. Imagine buying insurance cover marketed as unlimited but finding out that the company will only pay for 25% of your stolen goods. That would never fly.

 

[CPTBoy]

400-600GB per month is not a "huge" amount of data. Definitely not for RAW SD, let alone RAW HD 1080p24 video.
Now that 4K (and higher) RED CAMERAS are becoming cheap it should be obvious what sort of data one would need.
The business ADSL connection is called business because of assured reliability and support. The ISP has to fix problems within a certain time, they have to have alternative routes etc. They have to assure constant throughput quality and need to have 24/7 telephone support. None of this comes standard with a consumer grade product which is only a best effort affair, hence these consumer products are cheaper.

You are missing the point with the unshaped uncapped business bonded accounts. Yes, they give reliability, but they also give the business much more data to their disposal.

Unless he requires what I mentioned above, I don't see why he shouldn't have the option to use an UNCAPPED consumer product.

He requires a better option because he is breaking the rules of the ISP. The ISP will actually give you the option to upgrade to a business account because of excessive usage. Do you think they just do that to give better service? No, they do that to give the user abusing the system more data to their disposal. It's called running a business. As stated in previous posts, if you work out what he is paying per GB, it's actually insane to expect ( demand? ) to be able to pull 800gb on the account he is on. He needs to pay for the amount he using.

Not a lot, several GBs max. But I think he referred to downloading movies to watch them when the doctor spouse is off duty.

No, he stated he downloads research material, hence me asking why he needs hundreds of gigs. Read some of the posts ...

Irrelevant and unnecessary ad hominem. So what if you think he has a narcissistic personality disorder. BTW That has been dropped from the latest DSM-IV TR manual.

So, it's ok in your books to act like a jackass?

TV services like NetFlix can easily use up 200GB per month. And there actually are legal foreign TV streaming services for ordinary users. Cost is 20 Euro or so per month. They're marketed at ordinary users. Which the MWEB consumer product is marketed at. Nothing illegal.

You are speculating what he does with the data as much as I am. Why does he give advice on what ports to use for SSL newsgroups? His answers are very vague and changes all the time on what he is doing exactly to reach 800gb.

Irrelevant. Besides if he has narcissistic personality disorder he is allowed to do that, what's your excuse?

My excuse is that I don't go around calling people poor and to go preach on Sunday's and what not. Common decency is not too much to ask now, is it? Or does money make that personality trait go away?

 

[CPTBoy]

The problem is that the fair usage agreement isn't really an agreement. To agree on something you have to know what you're agreeing to. If MWEB won't divulge exactly what is abusive ahead of time I don't think they are entering the deal in good faith and are not making it reasonable for anyone to know whether the product is for them or not. Cut offs should be fixed and mentioned firmly in the TOS. Imagine buying insurance cover marketed as unlimited but finding out that the company will only pay for 25% of your stolen goods. That would never fly.

Did you actually read MWEB's AUP?

http://www.mweb.co.za/legalpolicies/GeneralPage/AcceptableUsePolicy.aspx

Some quotes for you

"MWEB reserves the right to establish policies, rules and limitations, from time to time, concerning the use of the IP Service. You must comply with any bandwidth, data storage and other limitations we may impose, in our reasonable discretion. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your service being restricted, suspended or terminated, in our reasonable discretion."

"You may not restrict, inhibit or interfere with the ability of any person to access, use or enjoy the Internet or the any services, or create an unusually large burden on our network, including, without limitation, continuously uploading or downloading streaming video or audio; continuous FTP uploading or downloading, or otherwise generating levels of traffic sufficient to impede others' ability to send or retrieve information, or to use the services in an abusive manner in connection with any unlimited packages, options or promotions."

"We reserve the right to establish policies, rules and limitations, from time to time, concerning the use of any service. You must comply with any bandwidth, data storage and other limitations we may impose, in our reasonable discretion. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your service being restricted, suspended or terminated, in our reasonable discretion."

 

[whatwhat]

You guys know that the business accounts only have priority during the day? After hours they are the same as the consumer accounts.

 

[KinsZA]

If you guys had real jobs, you would understand the need for big data. Go look at it, it's happening around you.

Movies is but one part, but when doing research you sometimes have to get Gbs and Gbs of raw information to work through. Like I said before, just because you guys watch porn and pirate movies doesn't mean the internet just revolves around that.

As for subxero, I'm sure you have a great life outside of the internet. Why are you here? Go knock on some doors on a Sunday and spread your gospel!

The entire wikipedia database (excluding images) if you dump it in a text file comes to about 60GB. Not saying that its the be all and end all but its a website that provides data in the format that most information sites use.

Unless you are in the video or photographic industry your "Work" does not involve huge amounts of data.


EDIT: Its amazing how people who have the crazy high usages always seem to have these "high priority" jobs yet seem well versed in torrents and/or newsgroups, in the past it was "I collect Linux distro's"

 

[killerbyte]

So now MWEB isn't even sending out the letters any more.

My account was simply UNUSABLE last night, forget even trying to load up my MWEB account page.

Checked it this morning and discovered that my account is listed as throttled after downloading only 65GB in 17 days (3.8GB a day).
I have been a loyal MWEB customer since 2011 and have enjoyed their uncapped offerings but now I vote with my wallet and I am walking away. Afrihost just got my business.

 

[Icarium]

As far as ISP's are concerned, if you're using more than ((The maximum theoretical throughput of your account / contention ratio) + thier profit margin), you're costing them money. It's in thier interest to dissuade people from exceeding that value, and if you're someone who regularly exceeds it by a large margin it makes business sense to get you off thier network.

How zealous each ISP is in this regard differs greatly, and MWeb is currently amongst the worst in that regard.

If you think you're not getting your moneys worth on your R500pm 4MB/s account, bear in mind that it costs your ISP a magnitute mre than that to actually provision 4MB/s (Thanks largely to Telkom and the unavoidable fact that we're connected to the rest of the civilised world via hideously expensive undersea cables). They make this affordable to you by overselling many times over, which means managing thier networks,which is where throttling and shaping come into play.

Try and get a quote for even a 1MB/s connection with no contention...

 

[killerbyte]

I fully understand the business model and I am perfectly happy to have my line shaped during office ours, in fact I welcome it because it makes it sustainable. But I promised myself that the moment I got throttled I would move so I have.

I have a 1meg account and I usually pull around 120GB in a month. My friend has the same account, has pulled 60GB this month and he has not been throttled.

Just as MWEB has the right to throttle me I have the right to vote with my wallet and change ISPs. It was a good relationship while it lasted and I sang MWEBs praises.

 

[Icarium]

I have a 1meg account and I usually pull around 120GB in a month. My friend has the same account, has pulled 60GB this month and he has not been throttled.

Just as MWEB has the right to throttle me I have the right to vote with my wallet and change ISPs. It was a good relationship while it lasted and I sang MWEBs praises.

I fully agree with your second statement. But using your useage as an examle: If your ISP is using the industry standard contention ratio of 20:1, in order for you to pull 120GB a month they need 19 other users to use no more than roughly 14GB a month in order for them to make thier target profit margin.

Most ISP's do have a large base of low useage users, so irritating or upsetting thier higher useage clientelle results in more bad publicity than it's worth. MWeb obviously feel differently.