MWEB Uncapped ADSL - Unofficial Q

Hi Everyone

The complaints on HelloPeter fall into the category of individual customer issues, the specifics of these incidents are between us and the customer and are not open to general discussion.

Regarding how this affects the AUP these are all points have already been sufficiently clarified and nothing has changed. We looked at both long stretches of unattended downloads at high speeds and bypassing of the shaping rules - more often than not these two conditions went hand in hand, on cases where they did not we used our discretion in how to deal with the issue with our customers.

If you ask the same question repeatedly you may find that the answer is open to slight variances of interpretation depending on who wrote the answer, but our message and the policy remains consistent with the CEO's original statement and the terms and conditions.

We will continue to be as open and transparent with this process as possible, however we would also ask that once we have answered a question sufficiently that healthy discussion is moved forward from that point.

I am currently spending a lot of my time refining the reporting, monitoring and customer communication involved in how we implement the AUP and I assure that I have listened to all of your feedback and taken much of it onboard in terms of how we will move forward with this.

Kind Regards
MWEB Operations (Tech Manager)

Your CEO said no one will EVER be disconnected.

You just said prior to this post that no one who did not bypass shaping was disconnected, now its also those with long stretches of unattended downloads - what's next? People who browse sights that are bandwidth intensive.

You had just said it was untrue when I claimed people were getting disconnected for high-usage, and not only bypassing shaping - I provided prove - you back-tracked and changed the conditions. Talk about changing conditions, how is this transparent?

If you were open and transparent - the same questions would not be brought up again. If you're 'rules' stayed constant, and we knew what they were, we would not still be asking the same questions. Saying something is not in-line with your T&C's is not exactly helpful, as they are quite vague, and don't spell out what is considered abuse. 300GB last month, 100GB this month, 1GB next month ...who knows.
 
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So MWEB, do you say use of VPN services for privacy is illegal under your TOS? Use of VPN to bypass foreign website geo-targeting is also illegal under your TOS?
If legal state how much is acceptable on the shaped 4Mbit account.

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Your CEO said no one will EVER be disconnected.

You just said prior to this post that no one who did not bypass shaping was disconnected, now its also those with long stretches of unattended downloads - what's next? People who browse sights that are bandwidth intensive.

You had just said it was untrue when I claimed people were getting disconnected for high-usage, and not only bypassing shaping - I provided prove - you back-tracked and changed the conditions. Talk about changing conditions, how is this transparent?

If you were open and transparent - the same questions would not be brought up again. If you're 'rules' stayed constant, and we knew what they were, we would not still be asking the same questions. Saying something is not in-line with your T&C's is not exactly helpful, as they are quite vague, and don't spell out what is considered abuse. 300GB last month, 100GB this month, 1GB next month ...who knows.
Very true. The Terms are quite vague as well, so there's bound to be queries.
 
According to hellopeter complaints, MWEB is now disconnected high-usage people too - even those who have NOT bypassed shaping... so much for being uncapped.

Anyone know what the decided limit is, or is it one of those changing limits that we have to thumb suck?

This was predicted by me & others. The idea that they will only go after people who are actively bypassing the shaping has now proven false.
 
Contractually, you are required to adhere to the General Terms and Conditions:

11.1.6. use any service in any manner which could damage, impair, overburden or disable the service or interfere with any other party's use or enjoyment of the service;

This means you can't use the internet in a way that interferes with other users experiences. More on this later, but as a general term of the contract it is allowed to vague specifically for the purposes of a catch-all mechanism to prevent abuse of the service.

11.2. Should you engage in any one or more of the above activities, which shall be determined in MWEB's sole discretion and which decision shall be final, then MWEB shall be entitled, without
prejudice to any other rights it may have, to:

11.2.1. without notice, suspend your access to the service concerned;

Again, a general term that permits MWEB to boot you at its sole discretion if you violate the previous terms. Obviously they can't boot you unfairly or arbitrarily, but only if you violate one of the terms outlined in its terms and conditions. One of these is "overburdening" the service, another is outlined below.

12. ADSL Acceptable Use Policy

12.1 You will only use the ADSL Service for purposes that are lawful and for which it was designed.

Clearly the shaping of certain protocols and shaping generally is a "design" of the service, and as a result use that bypasses this "design" constitutes a breach of contract and MWEB has every right to terminate your agreement, even without consultation.

12.2 You will not use the ADSL Service, directly or indirectly, in a way that:

12.2.8 in MWEB’s sole discretion constitutes abuse of the ADSL Service or of MWEB’s systems
12.2.4 interferes with any third party’s use of the ADSL Service;

Again, it is clear that these specific portions of the contract deal with exactly is being debated now. Either one, or both of these breaches may have occurred. Bypassing the shaper, constitutes an abuse of 'MWEB's systems'. Obviously. Furthermore, someones incessant downloading all day every day (and it would appear from MWEB's posts that these people were doing so by running their lines at full speed, in violation of MWEB's shapers) constitutes an interference of a third parties use of the ADSL service.

12.8 We reserve the right to manage our network in order to optimize its efficiency for the benefit of all our subscribers. We may take any other action we deem appropriate in order to help ensure the integrity of the network experience for all subscribers.​

This clause applies to a multitude of MWEB's services, though as it appears in the ADSL specific section of the contract it should be viewed in that context. Clearly this clause would refer to a 'system' as referred to above, that limits or 'optimizes' the network for MWEB's clients: the dreaded shaper. Interference with that system constitutes a breach, and a termination is inevitable. The fact that MWEB may take any necessary action to ensure the integrity of the network only demonstrates that they have the power to boot you if you threaten that integrity, by bypassing the shaper or sharing your connection for financial gain, you are undoubtedly attacking the integrity of the network.

12.12 If the ADSL Service is used in a way that we, in our sole discretion, believe violates this Acceptable Use Policy or any of our rules or limitations, we may take any responsive actions we deem appropriate. Such actions may include without limitation, temporary or permanent removal of content, cancellation of newsgroup posts, filtering of Internet transmissions, and/or the immediate limitation, restriction, suspension or termination of all or any portion of the ADSL Services or your account.

The final nail in the coffin, which I believe wouldn't hold in a court as it is too vague and overtly powerful (especially with the imminent Consumer Protection Act). However, if one is to entertain this clause for a moment we can understand that MWEB is serious about maintaining the product at acceptable levels, and that they may take any action they deem necessary to protect that asset.

Even if the final clause is severed from the agreement, surely people can at least see that MWEB is well within its rights to exclude you from the service, and must additionally fulfill its obligations to its other clients in maintaining a usable service within acceptable standards. Your abuse of the systems extend to both bypassing the shaper and using the product in a way unlike that for which it was designed and for this you should be excluded from enjoying the service or migrate to a service better designed for your needs. That is all. I shall comment no further on this discussion.
 
As it stands, Mweb can change what the heck they like, when they like and we can't object. They are getting far too arrogant and must be checked.
 
It is very clear now we have been deceived by MWEB. I don't even know why anyone is even bothering to engage with of the assorted MWEB reps here; nothing they say can be believed and they have all lied.
 
It is very clear now we have been deceived by MWEB. I don't even know why anyone is even bothering to engage with of the assorted MWEB reps here; nothing they say can be believed and they have all lied.
I agree and for this reason we should no longer use their product.So which ISP are we moving to?
 
T&C's are always loaded in the ISP's favour, but they are not usually a problem because the ISP is only too happy to grab your moolah.

If I were to move, it would be to Openweb Gold.

But my Mweb account is getting the job done, so I'll stick around. If I ever do get kicked, at least I won't have to serve out the notice period.
 
I agree and for this reason we should no longer use their product.So which ISP are we moving to?

I don't believe in retreat. If they want to say that downloaded too much then, or that I left downloads 'unattended', then I would be willing to test all those claims in the appropriate forum.

I wonder if Carte Blance would be interested in this?

Not a chance. MWEB=MNET=DSTV=SACP
 
mweb are definitely banning on usage, i know a guy who had his service cut a few days ago, he didnt bypass the shaping in any way, only used rapidshare (free user) and torrents, the guy he spoke to at mweb said his account was flagged for heavy downloading! nothing else
 
I don't believe in retreat. If they want to say that downloaded too much then, or that I left downloads 'unattended', then I would be willing to test all those claims in the appropriate forum.



Not a chance. MWEB=MNET=DSTV=SACP
So the best way to get back at them is let them to take our money?
Good idea - that's really teaching them
 
So the best way to get back at them is let them to take our money?
Good idea - that's really teaching them

I satisfied with how much data I am managing to extract from MWEB. It's barely like proper broadband, but you can make it work if you are willing to put in the effort...and like I said: I look forward to the fight if MWEB want to test me.
 
I don't understand something, no one is forcing anyone to use Mweb, there are other ISP's, if you are not happy, then move on to another ISP.
 
I don't understand something, no one is forcing anyone to use Mweb, there are other ISP's, if you are not happy, then move on to another ISP.

People don't like being lied to or promised something, pay money and not receive it. Yes they can move to another ISP but its good consumer practice that if a company does this, they are reported and the rest of the public is made aware of it.
 
mweb are definitely banning on usage, i know a guy who had his service cut a few days ago, he didnt bypass the shaping in any way, only used rapidshare (free user) and torrents, the guy he spoke to at mweb said his account was flagged for heavy downloading! nothing else

See here and here (the two posts by MWeb addressing this issue, from the previous page in this thread).
 
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ok so what happened to freedom of expression? whoever, quit deleting my posts. MWEB got you by the short & curlies?
 
See here and here (the two posts by MWeb addressing this issue, from the previous page in this thread).

Thats part of the problem Sabre, they are saying one thing but actually implementing something else as has been linked in the correspondance provided. I'm all for disconnections for bypassing shapping etc but disconnection from plain usage and conforming to the shaper is not right and goes against their advertisements. I don't have the usage I think to fall into the disconnection pool but if it happens to me, they will cancel the account, I will shift and I will see them at the ASA.

I'll support Mweb for as long at they make it feasable but a fork tongue grates me from anyone or thing.
 
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