Neotel ready with SEACOM bandwidth

whatwhat said:
Do any of you read the other articles which state the that the cheaper Seacom pricing is only if you buy bandwith from them for 20 years and that comparatively they are priced the same as the SAT3 cable which includes redundancy . Stop looking for unicorns.
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The reason that SAT3's bandwidth prices dropped were BECAUSE of SEACOM, not in spite of it. The 20 year contract makes sense, because you are essentially buying part of the cable which is infrastructure cost. The second thing to bear in mind is that SEACOM is an open access network - whereas Telkom controls SAT3/SAFE bandwidth at the choke-points - which really means that benefits from SEACOM can filter through a lot easier and faster to the general public - look for example how DFA surprised everybody with the TENET connection.

Besides - the biggest benefit of SEACOM is not the bandwidth from South Africa to Europe - but bandwidth from the African east coast to SA and Europe. With telecoms coming from such a low base in Africa, the single cable will have massive impact on telecommunications cost - which will translate to better African economy and the benefits will be felt in South Africa.

Thirdly - redundancy. Suddenly our dependency on cable systems controlled by a single entity has disappeared. SEACOM might not redundant for SA - but it is redundant for East African country - they can route directly to Europe, or the can route via South Africa.

And lastly - do not underestimate the connection to India.
 
The way I see things is Cap equals control, if you control the user with a small cap no matter the speed of the line he will budget his usage to stay with in that cap limit for the month, which means people don't pound their infrastructure which means they can get away with buying cheap or the minimal infrastructure to run / provide connectivity to their clients. So that means to me probably with in a 6 month period they make up what ever they have spent on hard ware infrastructure. If any company runs a proper infrastructure that over compensates rather than tries the meet exact measurement we should not have a problem with bandwidth or caps. We should be able to have excellent speed as well as nice fat caps that we can use.

Or am I just smoking my socks
 
ipodmusicman said:
What I would like to know is if my ISP bought Seacom capacity today, will I see more value and/or decline in prices? Naaah, I didn't think so.

C'mon Laurie, Mr Cybersmart. do the right thing and buy capacity and lower your prices/increase caps. Be nice? Please?

hehehe
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Cybersmart resell bandwith from IS so as soon as Is get their link up Cybersmart should have access.
 
Pilgrim said:
But at what cost? How much are you paying neotel for their service vs how much does it actually cost neotel to provide that service?

I want to know just how badly neotel will be ripping us off :mad:
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I'm talking from an ISP point of view.

Yes Neotell will resell SEACOM bandwidth in Midrand BUT they are also a major shareholder and can afford to sell it at a good price.
 
Stupid Question: So is there any advantage now or somewhere in the future for someone living in Midrand (given that Neotel's data centre is in midrand?)
 
Kompete said:
Stupid Question: So is there any advantage now or somewhere in the future for someone living in Midrand (given that Neotel's data centre is in midrand?)
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Depends on how deep your pockets are but if you live extremely close by and it could be done I think a nice fibre connection would do.
 
There is a benefit if you don't need to buy 155Mbps ATM connections from the Datacentre to service your clients.
 
rwtpl said:
The way I see things is Cap equals control, if you control the user with a small cap no matter the speed of the line he will budget his usage to stay with in that cap limit for the month, which means people don't pound their infrastructure which means they can get away with buying cheap or the minimal infrastructure to run / provide connectivity to their clients.
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what he said !!!
 
massive neotel growth means I still have no signal in my area, agressive and tireless expansion of consumer services means that my friend's area has signals on and off.

Now we really want some answers to the question of profit margin for neotel's offering of seacom in midrand.

Isn't cybersmart using saix bandwidth?
 
Neotel should have built a network from the very start that could handle its clients how flippen difficult is it to go to a building and ask how many people work here or to a suburb count the potential amount of flats and houses and say ok I need a 2gig or 4 gig fibre to my base station to handle maximum throughput for a client that joins up so that they know that area is covered completely. It tells me one thing they don't plan properly and don't spend properly.
 
rwtpl said:
Neotel should have built a network from the very start that could handle its clients how flippen difficult is it to go to a building and ask how many people work here or to a suburb count the potential amount of flats and houses and say ok I need a 2gig or 4 gig fibre to my base station to handle maximum throughput for a client that joins up so that they know that area is covered completely. It tells me one thing they don't plan properly and don't spend properly.
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OR... they were not permitted to do that.
 
How simple would it be to use a company like Markinor and do a survey for your company.
 
Why dont we see any posts from ISP reps here on the price isssue? Is it because they know they are raping us and are going to continue in doing so?:( Where is the people from WebAfrica, Axxess, Cybersmart etc? I invite you guys to join us in this debate and shed some light on the subject....dont make me beg....:rolleyes:
 
jannievdberg said:
Why dont we see any posts from ISP reps here on the price isssue? Is it because they know they are raping us and are going to continue in doing so?:( Where is the people from WebAfrica, Axxess, Cybersmart etc? I invite you guys to join us in this debate and shed some light on the subject....dont make me beg....:rolleyes:
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Seacom only went live last week Thursday. relax. Be patient. They need time to put the finishing touches on their agreements and products. I'm guessing we might see some stuff next month.
 
Yawn... this is making me tired... wake me up when the consumer actually sees results, and not by signing up with Neotel, but by signing up with which ever provider they want.
 
Ya.. k.

Garyvdh said:
Seacom only went live last week Thursday. relax. Be patient. They need time to put the finishing touches on their agreements and products. I'm guessing we might see some stuff next month.
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Sure it only went live last week, but do you think businesses sit around and wait for a light to shine through the cable before rolling out their own infrastructure, plan their packages & marketing strategy? Ya.. k.

Neotel already launched their latest "we're so cutting-edge" offering - something like "NoGo". Bandwidth for M2M packages seem to be set at R80 per gig. Astonishing - deja *****ing Vu.

But hey, isn't this what we wanted? Choice..?

Now we get to choose who we bend over to, as both seem to have their own cable to monopolise now.

I'm going into the vaseline selling business.. I'll sell to you cheaper than the rest if you take 5 years of supply up front.
 
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