network hog myth. uncapped proper usage != piracy.

[Necuno]

a little education for those who can't seem to grasp the concept that some of us actually really use the internet for other things than what they would normally associate usage with. however i suppose i can't really blame them if that is the only exposure they have been exposed to and automatically go ZOMG series, movies, games and applications when confronted with a lot of bandwidth or can't seem to realize how some other people are using more than what they would consider normal. clearly most or and some other people just don't know what else is out there imho...

...to the usage.
steam - anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig and even more per game title legally bought.

ign - patches, demos, previews and clips of mostly games. also can get quite huge thinking of nowadays demos weighing in at least 1gig+. not to forget HD streams and so on from them.

direct 2 drive - mostly same idea as steam. buy a game and download it directly, aslo anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig.

beta testing of games - yep online testing of coming mmos and even some other non mmo developers does this. anything from 2 to 5+ gig a shot. then there will also be the constant patches and content being added to the beta testing.

test clients (mmo) - some of us likes to play around on the test clients of mmos and that too can get a lot to download at times. the test client which normally equals the non-test client (5+ gig) and as well as the patches and content being added and removed on a more than normal basis.

msdn/technet training - anything from 50-250meg a video can get quite a lot when you go though a few courses being presented.

msdn software - same as with beta/test clients if you go for application testing and excluding the released applications. normally from 1-3+ gigs. for releases software, well the normal sizes it would be like around 3 gig for windows 7.

vpn to work - just add a normal day of network traffic, documents you might work on and everything else that needs to be seen and worked on to complete an 8 hour day of work or less. also throw in some server administration and maybe some reporting on the side too, not to mention if you have to pull and push large files over the vpn.

HD streams via xbox - it starts at 2 gig a flick, goes up to 5/6 gig for proper HD flick via xlive. this does not include the total pay tv series you can get via sky i think. there is also the getting games with their direct 2 console thing. slap any released xbox game onto that which easily weighs in at around 7 gigs.

video conferencing - anyone who have done a bit of proper video conferencing know that it takes a lot of content in size.

upload of work - try doing some digital painting and design for someone in a foreign country, trust me uploading each set of raws can get really huge.


...and this is not even all of the things one could do to really use your bandwidth. bit tiresome of when some go ZOMG you must be pirate, how else can you use 50-150 gig a month ? or lol the isp geez these ****ers must only be into pirating since they decided they actually want to use our product and not just go some oom and tannie via facebook.


Update to list
Voicy -
game development videos - 60-100mb each

Pilgrim -
Online stores that sell digital copies, eg Amazon, Audible, iTunes (need international account for that, but possible) etc.
MMO with VOIP - over 3 gigs for w/e

warchylde -
Citrix - RDP tool when working from home
SIP/AIX (VOIP) - VOIP connectivity to Office PBX (this can be quite a hog)
Linux Distros
Linux Distro updates everytime a VM is reinstalled (between 450GMB and 1.5GB depending on what's installed)
Uploading of VM's to a datacentre.
Microsoft updates for test servers (no indication of amount.)

 

[DVD007]

Well stated!

 

[Voicy]

Half my cap goes into http://www.lucasarts.com

The Star Wars: The Old Republic development videos are 60-100MB each ... and there are lots of them!

 

[RogueRunner]

Once off yes, but every month!! nah!!!!!!!!!! You do not buy games every single month. I would say anything upto 100GB can be explained but anything more each and every month, I'm sorry, do not buy it!!!

 

[Pilgrim]

Two more that I have tried to use in the past, but written off as too expensive:

Online stores that sell digital copies, eg Amazon, Audible, iTunes (need international account for that, but possible) etc.

Anyone here ever play a MMO with VOIP? I tried it once, chowed over 3 gigs of bandwidth just for a weekend.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Once off yes, but every month!! nah!!!!!!!!!! You do not buy games every single month. I would say anything upto 100GB can be explained but anything more each and every month, I'm sorry, do not buy it!!!

Correct, and until movies and series are totally free, it will be pirated and the excuse that it's too expensive will be used.

 

[Necuno]

Once off yes, but every month!! nah!!!!!!!!!! You do not buy games every single month. I would say anything upto 100GB can be explained but anything more each and every month, I'm sorry, do not buy it!!!

dude you do not, but there are others who do on a monthly basis buy games, movies, music via legit means on line and actually finish them. just because you don't doesn't mean they do. clearly you need to learn what else one can use the internet for except just games...

 

[spiderz]

Updating a local Linux repo... .. busy downloading 10.4Gb of updates...

 

[Kloofvreter]

dude you do not, but there are others who do on a monthly basis buy games, movies, music via legit means on line and actually finish them. just because you don't doesn't mean they do. clearly you need to learn what else one can use the internet for except just games...

Yeah but you know very well that they are the extreme minority.

 

[cableguy]

It can be done. I once went through a whole day without downloading anything illegal, and I managed to burn 8GB's. Although, it was boring.

 

[warchylde]

Updating a local Linux repo... .. busy downloading 10.4Gb of updates...

Eish Spiderz why you do full installs? /ignore - need to wake up before I respond You hosting a repo?

 

[fonoi]

I have not seen a MMO use that much data since 1990.

Most (Good) MMO's today are between 5-30 mb/h even with VOIP. With 5mb being average and normally going up during raiding etc.

While I do understand there are many uses for the internet which consume large amounts of data, I do not agree that this is what you are trying to prove, sounds more like a defensive "I dont pirate, I promise."

The ultimate point is that data is costly in SA, blame whomever you like but the fact remains that the more people abuse bandwidth the service levels will drop.

Finally though, yes the ISP's should not call it uncapped and then throttle at a certain limit. The problem it seems is psychology, when I pay for 20gb I will make sure I use the last mb at the end of the month because "I paid for it", so it stands to reason if they said the accounts had a 300gb limit most would do the same which would destroy the business model.

 

[Nefertiti]

I just blew 10 gigs on iTunesU (iTunes University for those that dont know). That was just two courses and I dont have all the videos yet. Rest will have to wait till next month as my cap is finished

 

[Necuno]

I have not seen a MMO use that much data since 1990.

Most MMO's today are between 5-30 mb/h even with VOIP. With 5mb being average and normally going up during raiding etc.

While I do understand there are many uses for the internet which consume large amounts of data, I do not agree that this is what you are trying to prove, sounds more like a defensive "I dont pirate, I promise."

The ultimate point is that data is costly in SA, blame whomever you like but the fact remains that the more people abuse bandwidth the service levels will drop.

it's a bit of education. hence stated in the op and no where it is something like a defensive "I dont pirate, I promise.". exactly nowhere have i stated that i never got something ever that was not illegal now did i...

...the data is only costly as we allow it to be as long as the veil of zomg usage = illegal continues.

Finally though, yes the ISP's should not call it uncapped and then throttle at a certain limit. The problem it seems is psychology, when I pay for 20gb I will make sure I use the last mb at the end of the month because "I paid for it", so it stands to reason if they said the accounts had a 300gb limit most would do the same which would destroy the business model.

exactly just one part of the problem.

 

[warchylde]

While I do understand there are many uses for the internet which consume large amounts of data, I do not agree that this is what you are trying to prove, sounds more like a defensive "I dont pirate, I promise."

Stop being an ass - I am almost 100% certain this post was made for the whiners that claim everything over a few GB is piracy.

 

[killadoob]

Dude so you are telling 99% of people on uncapped at the moment are not pirating? Ya if it helps you sleep at night then yes this is the case

Back in the real world the 100-150gb users all have torrents and nzb's cruising

 

[fonoi]

...the data is only costly as Telkom allows it to be as long as the veil of zomg usage = illegal continues.

Fixed.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Dude so you are telling 99% of people on uncapped at the moment are not pirating? Ya if it helps you sleep at night then yes this is the case

Back in the real world the 100-150gb users all have torrents and nzb's cruising

+1!

 

[Necuno]

Dude so you are telling 99% of people on uncapped at the moment are not pirating? Ya if it helps you sleep at night then yes this is the case

Back in the real world the 100-150gb users all have torrents and nzb's cruising

your mentally is getting old. though i can't totally disagree that we have a lot of young ****s you think they should mirror the internet. however i for one would like to use my internet for more than just making duplicates of each and every game, movie, music and application. from my list in the OP is what i do from day to day on my internet and getting uncapped at reasonable pricing will have me do more of of it. hec i would really like to get back into for example a lot of test clients and beta testing some up and coming mmos.

+1!

you should learn to be able to form an opinion yourself without slacking off to a "+1"

 

[Kloofvreter]

your mentally is getting old. though i can't totally disagree that we have a lot of young ****s you think they should mirror the internet. however i for one would like to use my internet for more than just making duplicates of each and every game, movie, music and application. from my list in the OP is what i do from day to day on my internet and getting uncapped at reasonable pricing will have me do more of of it. hec i would really like to get back into for example a lot of test clients and beta testing some up and coming mmos.


you should learn to be able to form an opinion yourself without slacking off to a "+1"

Why should I not say +1? Admittedly, I could have typed agreed, but I've got nothing more to add, only that I fully agree with him And your precious 'legit' bandwidth hogs that actually use it for site testing, etc etc, are in the extreme minority. You know that as well as I.