Network needs

[dirk-tooth]

Hi my name is Corne and my friend started a business where they install networks for small businesses and I would really like to join them so I have to create A network with 42 PC's and a server.
But I don't really know what I need to install a fully working network so If you guys could help,I'll be great full,thanks

 

[Other Pineapple Smurf]

A router/switch, lots of cables and network cards. Really not complicated. If you can connect 3 PCs using a el-chepo switch, then you can do any amount.

Read up on N+ material to find out a bit more. I'm sure the local guys here will give some more great help. But go for it and enjoy

 

[dirk-tooth]

A router/switch, lots of cables and network cards. Really not complicated. If you can connect 3 PCs using a el-chepo switch, then you can do any amount.

Read up on N+ material to find out a bit more. I'm sure the local guys here will give some more great help. But go for it and enjoy

Thanks,but quick question what is el-chepo?

 

[swsup97]

Are u serious? U havent provided much detail - are u installing and configuring equipment? Are u creating a Server room? give more details ..but basics 1st - basic setup consists of the following:

ISP for NET access
Router
switch
adsl/diginet line
file/print or APP server

 

[dirk-tooth]

Are u serious? U havent provided much detail - are u installing and configuring equipment? Are u creating a Server room? give more details ..but basics 1st - basic setup consists of the following:

ISP for NET access
Router
switch
adsl/diginet line
file/print or APP server

I'm still learning, so whats the adsl/diginet line for?

 

[swsup97]

If you are still learning and dont know what a ADSL/Diginet line is for then dont go setup a network unless u just playing around like you would do in a lab environment.
If u planning to do this for a company then you need to know what you doing, decisions need to be made and you base this on hands on experience earned over a period of time not on something you read out of a N+ book!

To awnser your Q - ADSL /Diginet line is your link to the outside world - connects to the the Internet via an ISP or in a corporate environment with branches interconnected these days most likely to a MPLS cloud through a 1st tier ISP such as Internet Solutions.

 

[dirk-tooth]

If you are still learning and dont know what a ADSL/Diginet line is for then dont go setup a network unless u just playing around like you would do in a lab environment.
If u planning to do this for a company then you need to know what you doing, decisions need to be made and you base this on hands on experience earned over a period of time not on something you read out of a N+ book!

To awnser your Q - ADSL /Diginet line is your link to the outside world - connects to the the Internet via an ISP or in a corporate environment with branches interconnected these days most likely to a MPLS cloud through a 1st tier ISP such as Internet Solutions.

OK,I just have to design it not install it,and its like a test where not going to use it,
Is it necessary to have Internet access?

 

[dj_jyno]

OK,I just have to design it not install it,and its like a test where not going to use it,
Is it necessary to have Internet access?

Yes, otherwise you wouldn't be able to send or receive e-mails to the outside world. Since the network will be for a small business, I'm assuming that they do not have other branches that already have Internet access. Even if they did have more than one branch, you would still need Diginet/ADSL to connect the branches/offices.

 

[dirk-tooth]

Yes, otherwise you wouldn't be able to send or receive e-mails to the outside world. Since the network will be for a small business, I'm assuming that they do not have other branches that already have Internet access. Even if they did have more than one branch, you would still need Diginet/ADSL to connect the branches/offices.

OK thanks,Is there a difference between Hub or switch?

 

[dj_jyno]

OK thanks,Is there a difference between Hub or switch?

Yes, quite a significant one at that. A switch is basically an intelligent hub, which means that it does not forward every packet sent to every node on the network. A switch creates a temporary "connection" between the sender and receiver, giving you the full bandwidth between the two points (that's why most network equipment manufacturers quote their total bandwidth of their switches as (MBit/s or GBit/s)x(total number of ports)x2(because it's full duplex). A hub, on the other hand, splits the total bandwidth available between all the nodes, which can quickly cause congestion on a large network.

By the way, good luck with finding a hub They've gone the way of the dinosaur a few years ago. Switches have dropped in price so significantly, there is no actual market for hubs anymore.

 

[syntax]

I'm still learning, so whats the adsl/diginet line for?

I almost think ur taking the piss with these kind of questions?

OK,I just have to design it not install it,and its like a test where not going to use it,
Is it necessary to have Internet access?

Again.....i mean....

OK thanks,Is there a difference between Hub or switch?

In case ur not taking the piss here is the difference.
A hub receives traffic on a certain port, and floods all other ports with the information.

A switch has some kind of intelligence and will only have traffic flow down the port/s which the traffic is intended for.

There is also the whole collision domain and duplex thing, but lets leave it at that.

u would be hard pressed to find a hub now days...in fact i started a thread trying to find a place to get them for the exact reason that hubs flood ports.

It sounds like ur trying to get a job and have no knowledge whatsoever of any kind of networking. I would seriously suggest doing some research on tcp/ip and the OSI model (yes i can hear ppl groaning, but it really does make a difference in understanding how things work).

Then you can move on to routing and network design. Networking can get somewhat complicated and a bad design can cause some serious issues later on.

As to adding a server....thats about as non-descriptive as it gets. I would stick to learning networking functionality before worrying about servers and how they influence things.

It may seem like a large chunk now, but if you are serious look at a Network + book or even better the ICND part 1 of the cisco ccna course. Which just focuses on networking basics.

Good luck!

 

[Conradl]

Thanks,but quick question what is el-chepo?

Not too expensive - relative to what you want to achieve

I'm still learning, so whats the adsl/diginet line for?

To connect to the Internet

OK,I just have to design it not install it,and its like a test where not going to use it,
Is it necessary to have Internet access?

Depends if they need the Internet or not? It really is up to the client to decide if they need email etc. A network in a factory for example, may not require outside connectivity....

OK thanks,Is there a difference between Hub or switch?

A hub is a layer 1 device device, and all packets sent from a device to any other device are sent across all ports to all the devices connected to it. All the machines examine the packet and process it if necessary (i.e. the device was the intended recipient), or drops it if not. Hubs can quickly become overloaded and congested during times of heavy data transfer.

Switches are level two devices and only transmit packets from a device to its intended recipient, based on MAC address, i.e. unlike a hub, not every packet is sent to each connected device, so congestion is not such a problem.

Thus, a switch allows multiple devices to simultaneously connect at full speed during periods of high activity (not entirely true, but for a basic description it will do); while a Hub shares the bandwidth and can get very slow if multiple uses transfer data....

 

[dirk-tooth]

I almost think ur taking the piss with these kind of questions?



Again.....i mean....


In case ur not taking the piss here is the difference.
A hub receives traffic on a certain port, and floods all other ports with the information.

A switch has some kind of intelligence and will only have traffic flow down the port/s which the traffic is intended for.

There is also the whole collision domain and duplex thing, but lets leave it at that.

u would be hard pressed to find a hub now days...in fact i started a thread trying to find a place to get them for the exact reason that hubs flood ports.

It sounds like ur trying to get a job and have no knowledge whatsoever of any kind of networking. I would seriously suggest doing some research on tcp/ip and the OSI model (yes i can hear ppl groaning, but it really does make a difference in understanding how things work).

Then you can move on to routing and network design. Networking can get somewhat complicated and a bad design can cause some serious issues later on.

As to adding a server....thats about as non-descriptive as it gets. I would stick to learning networking functionality before worrying about servers and how they influence things.

It may seem like a large chunk now, but if you are serious look at a Network + book or even better the ICND part 1 of the cisco ccna course. Which just focuses on networking basics.

Good luck!

Your right I don't really have allot of knowledge when it comes to networking,I'm only 16 and I really want to do something with my life,so thats why I came to you guys for advice,so please don't criticize just yet let me first make a fool of myself then you can laugh all you want.

 

[Conradl]

Your right I don't really have allot of knowledge when it comes to networking,I'm only 16 and I really want to do something with my life,so thats why I came to you guys for advice,so please don't criticize just yet let me first make a fool of myself then you can laugh all you want.

Get an N+ book, and then look for Boson NetSim. Study those and in six months time you will know more about networking than 80% of the people on this forum

And of course ask as many questions as you can - rather do it now than in 10 years time when you should know what you talking about....

 

[dirk-tooth]

Not too expensive - relative to what you want to achieve


To connect to the Internet


Depends if they need the Internet or not? It really is up to the client to decide if they need email etc. A network in a factory for example, may not require outside connectivity....


A hub is a layer 1 device device, and all packets sent from a device to any other device are sent across all ports to all the devices connected to it. All the machines examine the packet and process it if necessary (i.e. the device was the intended recipient), or drops it if not. Hubs can quickly become overloaded and congested during times of heavy data transfer.

Switches are level two devices and only transmit packets from a device to its intended recipient, based on MAC address, i.e. unlike a hub, not every packet is sent to each connected device, so congestion is not such a problem.

Thus, a switch allows multiple devices to simultaneously connect at full speed during periods of high activity (not entirely true, but for a basic description it will do); while a Hub shares the bandwidth and can get very slow if multiple uses transfer data....

OK thank you,he he sorry but you guys is going to see a lot of my threads,and it would maybe be stupid or simple questions but I would like to do this correct the first time

 

[dirk-tooth]

Get an N+ book, and then look for Boson NetSim. Study those and in six months time you will know more about networking than 80% of the people on this forum

Haha thanks,will do

 

[syntax]

Your right I don't really have allot of knowledge when it comes to networking,I'm only 16 and I really want to do something with my life,so thats why I came to you guys for advice,so please don't criticize just yet let me first make a fool of myself then you can laugh all you want.

I gave the advice and answers in ways i thought were understandable. Doing the ICND 1 course could prob be the best thing you could do. Get the course material from any IT training campus, I would recommend torque-IT.

But maybe I did not give what is most likely the best advice I could. Nothing beats finding the information out for yourself. You will remember it better than the person who asks for help. And most of IT is using google, I am not kidding here.

I am not judging you etc, but for straight answer questions (like hub vs switch) you should be researching something like that yourself. The first hit on google had diagrams explaining it better and probably easier than the answers you have read here. Learning to research will set you apart from alot of people out there (its prob one of the few things i actually did learn at university). If you had asked a question saying i read about the differences between hubs and switches, but dont quite get this MAC table thing or how ARP works it would have shown you tried to find something out, kinda got it but need it explained somewhat.

Anyways, like u said ur 16, you have a ridiculous amount of time to get urself up to speed and kicking @ss. Check out that icnd and network + course. If u dont have the cash at the moment, then i can point you to some awesome tutorials and simulators which will do the trick just as well.

 

[syntax]

OK thank you,he he sorry but you guys is going to see a lot of my threads,and it would maybe be stupid or simple questions but I would like to do this correct the first time

Like conrad says, ask away, and you will most likely get the answers here. But if you figure things out for urself u will actually understand and remember them. You always remember the solutions and learn more on the projects where u have had the worst time.

 

[dirk-tooth]

I gave the advice and answers in ways i thought were understandable. Doing the ICND 1 course could prob be the best thing you could do. Get the course material from any IT training campus, I would recommend torque-IT.

But maybe I did not give what is most likely the best advice I could. Nothing beats finding the information out for yourself. You will remember it better than the person who asks for help. And most of IT is using google, I am not kidding here.

I am not judging you etc, but for straight answer questions (like hub vs switch) you should be researching something like that yourself. The first hit on google had diagrams explaining it better and probably easier than the answers you have read here. Learning to research will set you apart from alot of people out there (its prob one of the few things i actually did learn at university). If you had asked a question saying i read about the differences between hubs and switches, but dont quite get this MAC table thing or how ARP works it would have shown you tried to find something out, kinda got it but need it explained somewhat.

Anyways, like u said ur 16, you have a ridiculous amount of time to get urself up to speed and kicking @ss. Check out that icnd and network + course. If u dont have the cash at the moment, then i can point you to some awesome tutorials and simulators which will do the trick just as well.

Thank you,Do you think you could Point me to the tutorials and simulators?
Once I created a network but it was basics 12 PC's and a Hub or switch I'm not really sure and the cat5 cables but like I said that was basics and I actually enjoyed doing it.

Where could I find the N+ book? and does it come with exams? because I have the A+ complete study guide third edition,and the exams really help me.

 

[Asha'man X]

While off topic, let me say that a whole world awaits you. I was 16 myself when my first interest started in pc's. One of my teachers at high school saw this and nurtured me and my mind expanded like nothing. Within 6 months I was setting up a Netware server, although I didn't do any cabling, only did that when I went to college.

I found that I learnt best when playing around and figuring out myself, though some reading helped too